The reason I want to convert my collection to CBCS (see candidate below)21437
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Rydog private msg quote post Address this user | |
| So, I have this Rocket Racoon #1 graded a CGC 9.8, which should be near flawless correct? Well, this particular comic has unthinkable creasing to the entire upper edge of the cover. I've tried to get a picture of it for you. You can see some of it in the image but it goes along the entire upper border. Now, everyone knows this is not the first example of a CGC 9.8 comic that has crazy damage that should have never let it be a 9.8 but here we are. The good news is that all those creases can be pressed out because they don't break color. Since I've never submitted to CBCS before, what is the best route to go? Do I just send in this as is still in the CGC case as a pressing service item? And then somehow tell them to grade it after pressing? I'm hoping this can be all turn-key and I can just ship this as is and they do all the work from there. So, you can see, from a holistic perspective, I'd rather my collection be "true" than at best misleading when condition is important. I also happen to like the labels and cases better than CGC. I'm more of a collection purist than any sort of investor, hence the willingness to swap out the cases. Thanks for any advice.   |
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Briten private msg quote post Address this user | |
| If you submit in a CGC case they will crack it open and re-grade. | ||
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 I do what I can.
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TheShocker private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I respect your motto to have your collection be True. CbCS pressing has been a hit and miss personally. I'd ask for some 3rd party pressing recommendations and contact them for pricing. Some of not most will also submit the book for you to CBCS. | ||
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 I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this.
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GAC private msg quote post Address this user | |
| @Rydog You never need to justify your reasoning...press and grade your books with whichever company you prefer. Choosing CBCS is a good choice...there is a SUBMIT button at the top of this website that is the first step in submitting books. Complete the submission form, include the Pressing service and mail your books in the cgc case for added protection while in the mail. CBCS will crack the case open, Press and grade your books. Any books sent in that are already graded, CBCS will not consider that grade. |
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Rydog private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Ok thanks all. I will probably go the 3rd party pressing route, then submit to CBCS for grading. | ||
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 I'd like to say I still turned out alright, but that would be a lie.
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flanders private msg quote post Address this user | |
| You'd be better off selling your entire collection and finding a different hobby, such as reading comics, than regrading everything. | ||
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DoorCntyComicColl private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I've had CGC and CBCS press some books and was disappointed in both companies. Bought my own press and taught myself how to clean and press my own books using info off the internet. Much more cost effective if you have the time and patience (and fun as I read though my old silver age and bronze books as I clean them). As long as people are the ones doing the grading you will always question the final result. Keep in mind these folks are grading hundreds of books a day so after a while things do slip thru the cracks.. and this is CGC and CBCS.. don't just assume it's just CGC... Besides its a huge price difference between a 9.8 and a 9.6... and for CBCS its even less Do yourself a favor and take the win... |
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 I'm a #2.
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BigRedOne1944 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Book could have already been pressed and then relaxed after being slabbed allowing the press to come undone. I think this happens more often than people suspect. | ||
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Rydog private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I didn't even think of that scenario. That throws a whole monkey wrench into my idea of pressing and regrading... This book, with those creases, I would say would be about an 8.0 at the highest. Yet, here it is, sitting in a 9.8 case in my collection. Sigh... |
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I'm a #2.
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BigRedOne1944 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Probably best not to get too caught up in all the crack & re-submit shell game. End User usually ends up getting the short end of the stick. I personally would NOT temp fate with that Rocket Racoon book. | ||
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Rydog private msg quote post Address this user | |
| But here's the thing regarding the Rocket Racoon. I don't want to keep it because it's nowhere near a 9.8, but I can't really sell it as a 9.8 either because that would be inviting trouble with a buyer who is also expecting a near perfect book. | ||
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I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this.
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GAC private msg quote post Address this user | |
| @Rydog Get it pressed and re-graded. It'll be what it is then. | ||
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 Not trying to be an ass since February 12, 2020.
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HulkSmash private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by Rydogover graded CGC slabs are bought and sold all day long without a second glance. I’d say sell it and find a copy you are happy with or CPR with CBCS and accept whatever grade it gets. |
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Rydog private msg quote post Address this user | |
| But if I sold it should I disclose the overgrade? | ||
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I'd like to say I still turned out alright, but that would be a lie.
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flanders private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by Rydog At the very least provide high resolution images of the front and back cover. Although scans can hide a lot of damages such as dimples that are non-color breaking. It's not practical to give your own personal opinion on every slab you sell unless there's clear damages that can't be captured as well in photos. CGC has gotten more lenient with what's acceptable for a 9.8 in recent years, even with Modern books. Buyer's should be well aware of this. If the only imperfection on the book are those small indentations, a CGC 9.8 seems reasonable. If you're selling on the forum, price it for what you think it's worth. I've sold/traded some things where I lowered the trade value because the book looked more like a 9.0-9.2 than a 9.4. This has some small creasing across the top, but I'd have no problem selling it as a 9.8 and certainly would never have it regraded:  |
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 You do know that the new guy brings the donuts, right?
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DWeeB1967 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| @Rydog I'm just curious... did you buy this book already graded by CGC or did you buy it raw, submit it and have it graded? And welcome to the forum! |
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Rydog private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Thanks and I bought this book already graded off Ebay about 5 years ago. I don't remember what I paid for it, but just recently noticed the severe creasing on the upper cover. | ||
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Not trying to be an ass since February 12, 2020.
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HulkSmash private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by RydogQuote: Originally Posted by Rydogthis is where the “objectivity” of grade comes in. I wouldn’t hide anything and I wouldn’t advertise it as over graded. It hard for me to see the severity of what you are pointing out. If it bothers you as much as it sounds like then I’d provide as many photos as possible showing condition and sell it as a CGC 9.8 while they are still considered a reputable 3rd party. It will either sell for the grade or you might make an educated buyers day by accepting a lower offer. Your call, but I wouldn’t open myself to an unsellable book by stating in any fashion that it may be over graded; after all CGC are the “experts” and it’s in a “secure” enclosure. After all a 9.8 can have a minor defect keeping it from “Mint condition” Good luck |
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Rydog private msg quote post Address this user | |
Just for the record, I pulled up the cert number on this Rocket Racoon in the CGC site and there are NO GRADER'S NOTES. HulkSmash, the entire upper edge of the cover has creasing all along the full width of the comic. You can barely see a portion of it in the image I shared, but that same creasing extends both directions to the edge of the cover. |
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 would be nice to have a snugger fit.
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Sigur_Ros private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by Rydog Quote: Originally Posted by Rydog If it doesn't show well in photos, then yes, you should disclose it. |
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GanaSoth private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by flanders Haha. Exactly this! Better off buying Silver and Gold Bullion coins and then dive and swim into it like Uncle Scrooge does as your new hobby. |
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Wade_Story private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by Rydog I’m not saying for certain this applies to your book, but there could be a chance that the creasing you are describing is production. Star Wars #1 is known to have similar creasing as to what you are describing. Without seeing it in person though, it’s hard to say. |
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