Layoffs at the CGC.21299
 I live in RI and Rhode Islanders eat chili with beans.
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Here’s a 45… label that I noticed in this week’s MCS auction. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by GAC It depends on what folks are calling “banana” books. None (zero, zilch) of my 41 (count, not ser#) books graded this year are “banana” books with the pronounced bend. Maybe it is due to lack of any moderns, maybe just lucky. One of those 41 has one end of the book on one side (front of slab) and other end on the opposite side. Is there a curve? Virtually none, but it is there. It is a 43 series book and shows no damage. I was prompted to look closely after making my last submission to CGC and then (after shipping) seeing the forum chatter. If I was not aware of the forum chatter, I would not have noticed. That said, I would absolutely notice the types of bent books other people are posting, especially given many are clearly damaged from the bowing of the book in the slab… If you consider that one book a “banana book” then based on discussions on the CGC forum there are books going back at least five years with that issue. Is it a case of people scrutinizing things in a way that they didn’t before and therefore catching a non-systemic issue? Likely. But that means the issue is far, far more widespread. I checked all my books and saw no problems (aside from the one mentioned above, which is not bad enough to re-slab) - but I have almost zero moderns in my collection. |
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 I haven't aired it out. It's part of the provenance.
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Darth Vader Cat isn’t pleased with the latest shenanigans at CGC. |
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 I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this.
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| @Galen130 lol! That is hilarious!! | ||
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I haven't aired it out. It's part of the provenance.
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Galen130 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| @GAC I wanted to inject some humor into a serious subject matter. This seemed appropriate. 🤣🤣 | ||
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I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this.
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GAC private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by Galen130 Good call and indeed it is!! Darth Vader Cat will set CGC straight!! |
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 Ima gonna steal this and look for some occasion to use it!
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Quote:Originally Posted by sborock_ComicLink Pam helped me out a good number of times over the years. She got stuff done. When no one else could or would. Her being let go is hard to fathom. |
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as well as Matt Edwards. Not sure who else is waiting for the other shoe to drop over there....................|
Ima gonna steal this and look for some occasion to use it!
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IronMan private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by DrWatson that is indeed interesting. |
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 How do I know this? Because I've done it myself.
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| Almost of all my modern submissions were banana books. Luckily, as far as I could tell, I did not see any noticeable damage (yet). They have been sent to CBCS. I then decided to take another look at my vintage submissions. I'd say half of them have a slight curve at the top. Not flat and not acceptable. They are not damaged, and it is not enough to cause damage (yet). Those will be going to CBCS as well at some point. These are 43s and 44s. I've spent a lot of money fixing CGC's bulls*** because they won't fix it. I don't want CGC to fail because I believe competition in the market is good. However, this type of service deserves to and should fail. |
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 I've spent years perfecting my brand of assholery.
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| I've been looking at different books today for future submissions, and you can easily tell a difference in the old slabs and the new ones. The gamble isn't worth the headache. |
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 Not trying to be an ass since February 12, 2020.
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Quote:Originally Posted by GAC the forum is going to have to let both of you go. Sorry. |
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Not trying to be an ass since February 12, 2020.
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Quote:Originally Posted by lawguy1977if at first you succeed; keep screwing it up until you recover or go bankrupt. Is that how the saying goes? I am genuinely curious if mini/ashcan books experience banana and if the warping is continuously worse as the books get smaller. |
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| Well CGC's TAT for vintage is now 4 months+. Up from 2 months+ last week | ||
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I've spent years perfecting my brand of assholery.
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| I guess it takes longer with all those layoffs and mechanical error fixes. | ||
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 I like bean sprouts.
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Quote:Originally Posted by HulkSmash This is an interesting question. My inclination is that it would be mitigated as the book shrinks. The real determination is what is the cause of the warp; I suspect that the wells are the wrong dimensions for the outer case, and the warping is due to compression in multiple axes when sealed. A smaller book would be less likely to be damaged in that situation, as it will have a buffer of empty well (separated by heat seal) that could deform and protect the book. Add to that the fact that a full area will be more rigid than an empty, and a smaller book will be safer. But that's only if my supposition about sizing is correct. If it's some other problem (a procedural fault in how the slabs are assembled, for example), it could go the other way. |
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 I had no way of knowing that 9.8 graded copies signed by Adam Hughes weren't what you were looking for.
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Quote:Originally Posted by James42 You would think that they could just avoid these problems by going back to the last version of the plastic cases they had before the "upgrade". They could always try to tweak and improve both versions of the case to ultimately make something better while sticking to what wasn't really broken in the first place with the old cases for now. One of these companies should really think about hiring me to point out the obvious but here I am giving it away for free on this forum. |
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How do I know this? Because I've done it myself.
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| It's a good question. From my own experience, the only thing I can say is that the thicker the book, the less likely there will be any warping. My vintage books that were thicker had no bend (for example, Silver Surfer #4 and Batman #235), and my X-Men Annual #13 was not warped. Otherwise, they all have a bend, typically at the top, usually on the right side for my books. The weird thing was my Jim Lee books. 2 of them were both terribly warped at the bottom. 1 was flat and acceptable. So all in all, I have no idea what the hell is happening, but I wouldn't risk any books whatsoever going there. They keep claiming it's fixed when obviously (at least to me) it is not. |
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 I blame the forum gremlins.
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| The scientific method is apparently not a thing with the CGC. | ||
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| @lawguy1977 How can you be sure that the one that wasn't warped won't develop one over time? | ||
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How do I know this? Because I've done it myself.
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lawguy1977 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| @DrWatson fair question. Can't say for sure. Maybe it's due to CGC allegedly "replacing all the defective inner wells" or maybe I just got lucky with how it was sealed during the encapsulation process. So now I have to keep an eye on it -- at least until I include it with another batch going to CBCS. I have to pump the brakes on the submissions for now, it's been adding up, even with the good deals that have been offered by CBCS. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by GAC People have posted books with numbers 42 and lower. I haven’t seen as many of them, so I can’t say for certain how often or how likely sub 43s will be warped. |
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 I'm waiting.... (tapping fingers).Splotches is gettin old! |
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| They're using up their current plastic inventory and using some Rube Goldberg to "fix it". It's the cheapo, scummy way to deal with a problem and hope that most consumers won't notice or care |
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I blame the forum gremlins.
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figment private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by electricprune I have a banana book that starts 3806. The problem goes back at least 3.5 years, it's not just 42's and 43's. |
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| @figment I'm thinking yours is an outlier. Meaning that it could and occasionally did happen and is a true mechanical error. Now it's the norm with the cgc beginning to intentionally screw the pooch with the early 42 series slabs and continues on through the current serial numbers. The 44 series is plagued with the problem. | ||
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I had no way of knowing that 9.8 graded copies signed by Adam Hughes weren't what you were looking for.
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drchaos private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by Nuffsaid111 For now they should just go back to their old cases until they work the bugs out. I suppose common sense doesn't exist over there. |
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I like bean sprouts.
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James42 private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by drchaos That supposes they have any of the old cases left. CGC knew the previous case had security issues, but I bet they didn't roll out the new case until old stock ran out. Just like they appear to be doing with this banana problem. |
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| so the first 2 digits on a certification number refer to the case being used? Interesting. My only submission to CGC at Baltimore started with number 44. Is that one of the cases that makes banana books? Should I be worried? | ||
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DrWatson private msg quote post Address this user | |
| No, the first two numbers don't refer to the type of case being used. It's just that seriel numbers that begin with those digits are more likely to have warped inner wells. | ||
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DrWatson private msg quote post Address this user | |
| If you get a graded book back and the serial number begins with 44, then yes you should check it for a warped inner well, especially if it is a thin Bronze to New book. I think your invoice number may be the first part of your serial number. |
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DrWatson private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by figment I just had another thought. If someone is submitting books on the old paper invoices, then that invoice number gets incorporated into the graded books serial number. That said, anyone submitting currently with older invoice numbered forms can get a banana slab. Fantastic.  |
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