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I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this. GAC private msg quote post Address this user
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CGC will never go away as long as people that care more about their profit and less about a quality product keep using CGC for selling purposes and oblivious buyers keep purchasing these inferior products. I truly believe a lot of buyers have no idea of anything going on with CGC.


I agree with you that alot of buyers don't know what's happening at CGC but I can't imagine that CGC can continue like this indefinitely without the buying market eventually being significantly impacted. If the buying market is eventually impacted then the CGC loyalists will have to address it and do something about....possibly move business to CBCS or PSA.

There's no doubt CGCs product is inferior...by a large margin in my opinion. This can not be sustained without impact. Eventually the word will spread, maybe to the point of no return, unless CGC makes radical changes....and the CGC loyalists will have no choice but to change.
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I've spent years perfecting my brand of assholery. DrWatson private msg quote post Address this user
I do think that the people who are more interested in graded books will eventually make their way to one of the grading company's chat boards.

Hopefully, sooner rather than later. I consider myself fairly in the know, and I had at least one banana book. I can't imagine having thirty or so. I'd have a come-a-part.
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It gets old smelling it everytime I go outside my door. Nearmint67 private msg quote post Address this user
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I consider myself fairly in the know

This is the place to be. Friends in the right places are a great asset.
Knowing artists, writers, graders, pressers, store owners, many dealers and a stray hippie help a lot.
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I had no way of knowing that 9.8 graded copies signed by Adam Hughes weren't what you were looking for. drchaos private msg quote post Address this user
Given all of this news about CGC I feel very fortunate to have gotten the grades I did on the four books I sent in for the Lynda Carter signing.

I had a couple questions for CGC when I was at Baltimore Comic Con and I have to say that the people they had in the booth that day were great.

Too bad things appear to have gone very wrong back at headquarters.
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It gets old smelling it everytime I go outside my door. Nearmint67 private msg quote post Address this user
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CBCS is also laying off people. I can't believe that the got rid of Pam šŸ˜” as well as Matt Edwards. Not sure who else is waiting for the other shoe to drop over there....................


Got this email yesterday as many of us did for the Doug Moench signing.

At the bottom, it says to contact Matt Edwards for more information. So I did.
Here is what I got back;


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I have not set up at a con since 2029. PolarisNuclearSS2020 private msg quote post Address this user
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the takeaway seems to be that the Blackrock buyout was when the ball was put in motionā€¦.and the mass hidings and firings (layoffs) began shortly thereafter.

But that is just normal operating procedures for firms like Blackrock


With the economy in the shape it's been in, and layoffs and bankruptcies in the news every day for the past couple years, and companies like CGC inflating their sizes to cover for a Covid influx... and now the comic market dropping like it has been, leading to less reason to submit for grading... I think it's quite silly to reduce it down to "well that's Blackstone for ya".

That also doesn't explain why CBCS is also going through layoffs.


The overall economy is a huge driver in layoffs at both companies.

You wholly misread my post.
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I have not set up at a con since 2029. PolarisNuclearSS2020 private msg quote post Address this user
https://www.ft.com/content/8af2ad3b-dca0-4add-bbc8-55fc28184f34


Excellent article on the ā€œeconomic boomā€ in the US.

This article buttresses my points.
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I had no way of knowing that 9.8 graded copies signed by Adam Hughes weren't what you were looking for. drchaos private msg quote post Address this user
It would seem that layoffs at both companies might have been inevitable.

After the lockdowns, both companies had staffing issues and long turnaround times.

When the government sent out stimulus checks the collectible markets were a huge beneficiary as there was a mad dash to obtain these assets.

Marvel comics in particular saw some price spikes at the peak before the inevitable reversion to the mean.

When there was a rush to get more comics graded to meet this demand, both companies hired more people to get their turnaround times under control.

As the customers buying graded comics have become less eager and more fickle I am sure that has impacted the number of books submitted and the revenues of the grading companies.

Ebbs and flows are just a part of the business cycle.

The corporate politics and the number of comic book people being replaced by those with less knowledge and experience with the hobby is the consequence of large companies buying these start ups and making changes.

Hopefully they will come to realize that good customer service and revenues go hand in hand over longer periods of time.
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CBCS is also laying off people. I can't believe that the got rid of Pam šŸ˜” as well as Matt Edwards. Not sure who else is waiting for the other shoe to drop over there....................


It has been some time since I was here and am posting very infrequently over at CGC. But this news about Pam and Matt here and about Mike and "others" there really has me thinking.
I remember meeting Steve at the Boston show in 1999 (if I recall it was Dave Cummings' Primate Productions). After a bit of a tiff Steve and I hit it off great for the rest of the show (both East Coasters you know). He was there to promote this idea of encasing comics in plastic. We had some lively discussions about it that day and days to follow. Since then Steve has been a good friend.
Sorry for rambling but the news here and there just has me reminiscing about the "good old days".
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I'm not a plagiarist. I'm also not illiterate. drmccoy74 private msg quote post Address this user
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The cgc has always been very clique-ish among the employees... and to a lesser extent with their favored submitters. Gift grades to favored dealers is nothing new. If you are part of the in-crowd, you can get just about whatever you want done.
it's been obvious to some but I guess not to the masses
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Apparently, I am easily annoyed. Rbolton private msg quote post Address this user
Just left a comic book store where the owner showed me his latest damaged book submission from CGC, said all his submissions going forward will be with CBCS.
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I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this. GAC private msg quote post Address this user
@Rbolton Let's hope many many more follow.
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I wish I had a title. ComicNinja0215 private msg quote post Address this user
All of my books will be CBCS slabs
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I've spent years perfecting my brand of assholery. DrWatson private msg quote post Address this user
I believe I've found another banana book, sigh. šŸ˜•

I will resubmit this one to CBCS because it is a pedigree book. If I find anymore, I'm just going to sell them on and replace them with either CBCS or older label books graded by the cgc.

It's too nerve-wracking. Plus, if the grade drops during resubmission to CBCS, it starts to become too much of a financial loss.

There shouldn't be anymore, but I haven't checked my Star Wars books.
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I wish I had a title. ComicNinja0215 private msg quote post Address this user
@DrWatson I'm sorry man, that really sucks.
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I blame the forum gremlins. figment private msg quote post Address this user
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I can see @Jesse_O replacing "I wish I had a title" with that.
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I wish I had a title. ComicNinja0215 private msg quote post Address this user
@figment lol he would! I miss him a lot. šŸ˜Ŗ
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I'm waiting.... (tapping fingers).
Splotches is gettin old!
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As a seller, that sinking feeling when you go to put a CGC book up for sale on ebay.
You take that one last look at the book just because we're all so OCD.
And you see the banana shape in the case.
Then you see the spine tics from the bent book.
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Then you sigh.
You get angry at Sarasota
And you put the book back in the CGC box and tell yourself "I'll deal with this bullsh*t later. I can't knowingly sell this pile of dog crap"

It's been happening constantly for me lately
Except I'm no longer checking for OCD reasons. I've come to expect it now
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I wish I had a title. ComicNinja0215 private msg quote post Address this user
It's almost as if the top guys at the CGC said "How can we make the cbcs case?" They tried and well it didn't work the way they thought it would.
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I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this. GAC private msg quote post Address this user
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I believe I've found another banana book, sigh. šŸ˜•

I will resubmit this one to CBCS because it is a pedigree book. If I find anymore, I'm just going to sell them on and replace them with either CBCS or older label books graded by the cgc.

It's too nerve-wracking. Plus, if the grade drops during resubmission to CBCS, it starts to become too much of a financial loss.

There shouldn't be anymore, but I haven't checked my Star Wars books.


I believe the banana books are s/n 43 and 44 only, is that right? Or are there 42 examples? I used to know, but can't remember.
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I wish I had a title. ComicNinja0215 private msg quote post Address this user
@GAC i think so; at least so far.
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I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this. GAC private msg quote post Address this user
@ComicNinja0215 Thanks!!
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I've spent years perfecting my brand of assholery. DrWatson private msg quote post Address this user
I think there are some that begin with 42 as well. @electricprune might know better, if he sees this post.
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I've spent years perfecting my brand of assholery. DrWatson private msg quote post Address this user
Also, as mentioned by Ed, there are books out now that begin with 45. I'm sure there are banana books in there as well as nothing has changed at the cgc.
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I wish I had a title. ComicNinja0215 private msg quote post Address this user
@DrWatson I haven't been over there to see what's happening currently but doesn't look good. šŸ˜¬
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I live in RI and Rhode Islanders eat chili with beans. esaravo private msg quote post Address this user
Hereā€™s a 45ā€¦ label that I noticed in this weekā€™s MCS auction.


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I believe I've found another banana book, sigh. šŸ˜•

I will resubmit this one to CBCS because it is a pedigree book. If I find anymore, I'm just going to sell them on and replace them with either CBCS or older label books graded by the cgc.

It's too nerve-wracking. Plus, if the grade drops during resubmission to CBCS, it starts to become too much of a financial loss.

There shouldn't be anymore, but I haven't checked my Star Wars books.


I believe the banana books are s/n 43 and 44 only, is that right? Or are there 42 examples? I used to know, but can't remember.


It depends on what folks are calling ā€œbananaā€ books. None (zero, zilch) of my 41 (count, not ser#) books graded this year are ā€œbananaā€ books with the pronounced bend. Maybe it is due to lack of any moderns, maybe just lucky. One of those 41 has one end of the book on one side (front of slab) and other end on the opposite side. Is there a curve? Virtually none, but it is there. It is a 43 series book and shows no damage. I was prompted to look closely after making my last submission to CGC and then (after shipping) seeing the forum chatter. If I was not aware of the forum chatter, I would not have noticed. That said, I would absolutely notice the types of bent books other people are posting, especially given many are clearly damaged from the bowing of the book in the slabā€¦

If you consider that one book a ā€œbanana bookā€ then based on discussions on the CGC forum there are books going back at least five years with that issue. Is it a case of people scrutinizing things in a way that they didnā€™t before and therefore catching a non-systemic issue? Likely. But that means the issue is far, far more widespread. I checked all my books and saw no problems (aside from the one mentioned above, which is not bad enough to re-slab) - but I have almost zero moderns in my collection.
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I haven't aired it out. It's part of the provenance. Galen130 private msg quote post Address this user
Darth Vader Cat isnā€™t pleased with the latest shenanigans at CGC.


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I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this. GAC private msg quote post Address this user
@Galen130 lol! That is hilarious!!
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I haven't aired it out. It's part of the provenance. Galen130 private msg quote post Address this user
@GAC I wanted to inject some humor into a serious subject matter. This seemed appropriate. šŸ¤£šŸ¤£
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