Looks like CGC is giving out 9.9's like candy!21240
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| ComicLink wanted to pick and choose what sales they reported. George said no. He then attempted to collect their data himself and I think they threatened to sue. So, no GPA data from ComicLink. I still use GPA, but it is flawed data and easily manipulated. I'm not sure how they can continue to ignore CBCS sales. |
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| @chester15 , the books were sent to ComicLink in order to avoid future scrutiny in GPA sales records. Hell, the Secret Wars 8 9.9 from this submission was recorded in the CGC census as a 9.8. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by PolarisNuclearSS2020 "...which means that comic link doesn’t report its sales to GPA." From this, I interpreted that you were just realizing that Comic Link didn't report to GPA. But I see that you are saying that Comic Link was chosen as the sales venue for that specific aspect. It's blatantly obvious something shady happened. Business as usual. Nothing will be done about it, and a month or two from now, it will be old news. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by PolarisNuclearSS2020 believe that is speculation |
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Quote:Originally Posted by PolarisNuclearSS2020   Not sure how one person can pull it off, or even two. Unless the process of verification and grading on their website is all a lie. That in and of itself would be a class action lawsuits, if so. I think they follow this. So you’re looking at a whole team of people in on the scam, from the person who assigns the tracking bar code when separated from the submission, to the person who assigns the id to the graders, to the 2 or more graders themselves who agree on the final grade. Thats a lot of people putting themselves out there to make a few extra $$. This isn’t just reholder where things apparently were not being tracked so tightly when transferring a book from one slab to another… I just think it’s a money thing that the graders have been told to be more lenient in giving out 9.9s. Hand out more 9.9s if they look good. Perhaps This grading pair took it a little too literal… The real question is if two graders give a 9.9, does a 3rd more experienced grader weigh in? I have a feeling CGC doesn’t have a “sanity check” process to flag these outliers, or flag when a single grading team is pumping out more higher grades than the average to ensure nothing is out of wack. That’s the more likely scenario in my mind. |
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| I don't believe a lick of that. If you are a high profile submitter, then they know exactly which books belong to you. Plus, I'm of the opinion that this two, three, or team grading went out the window with the covid comic explosion if not before. Exactly how many people does it take to make a team anyway? Team, nice wiggle word. |
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| @Drogio one of the discussions in the CGC forum is that 2 out of the 9.9 actually got downgraded to 9.8 as part of the Quality review by a "senior" grader. The discussion is whether the remaining 9.9s actually would have got the 9.9 if it had been the senior grader who had graded the books | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by poka I would say that is deductive reasoning. It’s awfully convenient that the submitter had the slabs auctioned off thru the only major auction house that doesn’t have its’ sales recorded in GPA. |
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| I just got an email saying my CGC membership will be expiring soon...OH NO!!! anyway..🤣 |
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Quote:Originally Posted by DrWatson I wouldn’t say that the “gifted grade to big dealers” applies here at all. What I would say is that this case is clearly 2-3 individuals working together to get a stack of books that would in 99/100 times grade out at 9.8, get 9.9’s. I haven’t checked the sold prices of the 12 9.9’s but I would estimate offhand that they collectively hammer at around $40.000 with the bulk of that figure coming from the 1 9.9 secret wars 8. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by PolarisNuclearSS2020 How does that explain me? I'm not a dealer or seller and I got several 9.9s and 10s back. I think I sent in 2k worth of grading that whole year. A small fish. So I don't think just the big submitters are getting those grades. |
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| And 40 grand would be a pretty low figure. Dazzler 1 9.9 …2 in this sub, only 1 9.9 on the census before this sub SW 8 9.9 1 9.9 in this sub, iIRC. This is around a 20k slab IIRC Or was there 2 SW #8 9.8’s in this sub?? Can’t remember offhand but yeah… I am certain that CGC hasn’t been using 3 graders on books for a few years. There’s ample motive and opportunity here. I do doubt that this kind of scam will occur again, Cgc will certainly be keeping tabs on that submitter’s future submissions. CGC’s hands are effectively tied, the company can’t afford to come out and say, “yeah, we let 12 9.8’s hit the market as 8.9’s thru our employee’s cgc account (or someone else’s they used as a cover) but the bidders who put out tens of thousands of dollars got ripped off that were auctioned off by the only auction house that doesn’t report to GOA….Oops. Our bad.” IOW, CGC is letting this slide to avoid damage to their standing in the market Which makes perfect sense. |
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| @earthshaker01 al depends on which books you got the 9.9/10. If foils etc they do seem to come along - but for regular books I would be curious which ones of those you have got 9.9/10 | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by pokaHere are some.    |
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Quote:Originally Posted by earthshaker01Quote: Originally Posted by earthshaker01 I said that the case with these 12 9.9’s in this 25 book submission is not a case of loose/preferential grading given to big dealers. While I think some degree of preferential grading to big dealers with CGC and CBCS alike does exist, it damn sure doesn’t exist on this sort of scale. And I don’t think 9.9/10 gift grades are part of any preferential treatment to big dealers. This is a case of straight up fraudulent activity……the odds of getting 12 9.9’s out of a 25 book submission, on even retailer store variants from the printer to CGC, are exceedingly remote. These 12 9.9’s were copper age books. And again, the comparative grading that the head finalized at CGC demonstrated in CGC’s 9.8 video on 9.8 pre screens from around 8 months ago isn’t a factor here, either. If you haven’t watched the YouTube video posted by Automatic Comics on this submission yet, I suggest watching it. It explains everything. It was linked in the first post in this thread. |
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| @earthshaker01 great books but all three of these seem to be 9.9/10 regular type of books Gold key 2 9.9 7 9.8 virgin foil: 1 10.0 5 9.9 skinner variant 1 9.9 (no other grades) |
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| Someone with money and time could in theory sue CGC and demand video proof of past grading that shows multiple people grading each comic. The discovery phase can be an amazing thing. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by pokaYes those are all mine that you list. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by earthshaker01 My point was that these books were printed for 9.9 The books which received 9.9 as per the original post - are not |
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