Looks like CGC is giving out 9.9's like candy!21240
 would be nice to have a snugger fit.
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Quote:Originally Posted by Jgwalters100 I my experience, and one of the reasons I like them, CBCS hasn't "held back" on 9.9 or 10s if a book deserved it. If those are the guns, then yes..stick to them. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Jgwalters100 I don't know. A grade is only as good as the reputation of the company behind it. Plus, Batman Damned has a slew of 9.9s and 10s. So many so that supply far outweighs the demand. When 9.9s are as common as dirt, then they will be dirt cheap and possibly not worth the resub fees to get one. |
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| I look at it from two different perspectives, a true collector that has respect and integrity for the hobby imo would always want the more accurate grade, however, from a business perspective, I doubt many people that are just in this to turn a profit are worried about accuracy over a higher grade and potentially a lot more profit. CGC will continue to overgrade books( especially for certain large submitters) and grade chasers will continue to buy these over graded books with no care about what the book actually looks like. Yes I think CBCS should definitely retain its integrity, I just hope they can do enough business to stay competitive with the other grading companies. | ||
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| CGC wasn't holding back 9.9s and hasn't adjusted their standards (except in the whole banana 9.8 area)- they weren't taking the time to LOOK for 9.9s among books they graded at at least 9.8... and now they are, for special customers or large orders of already graded 9.8s with a note attached asking to look for 9.9s. Or that's what it seems like, anyhow. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Davethebrave submitted less than 25 books 4491019001 - Dazzler 1 - 9.9 4491019002 - Dazzler 1 - 9.9 4491019003 - Marvel Super Heroes Secret Wars 8 - 9.8 4491019004 - Marvel Super Heroes Secret Wars 8 - 9.8 4491019005 - Marvel Super Heroes Secret Wars 8 - 9.8 4491019006 - Marvel Super Heroes Secret Wars 8 - 9.8 4491019007 - Marvel Super Heroes Secret Wars 8 - 9.9 (Listed in Census as 9.8) 4491019008 - Marvel Super Heroes Secret Wars 8 - 9.9 4491019009 - Marvel Super Heroes Secret Wars 8 - 9.8 4491019010 - Marvel Super Heroes Secret Wars 8 - 9.9 4491019011 - Marvel Super Heroes Secret Wars 8 - 9.9 (Listed in Census as 9.8) 4491019012 - Marvel Super Heroes Secret Wars 8 - 9.9 4491019013 - New Mutants 1 - 9.8 4491019014 - New Mutants 1 - 9.9 4491019015 - Thor 130 - 9.8 4491019016 - Wolverine Limited Series 4 - 9.9 4491019017 - X-Men 62 - 9.8 Restored A-1 4491019018 - Uncanny X-Men 145 - 9.9 4491019019 - Uncanny X-Men 174 - 9.9 4491019020 - Uncanny X-Men Ann 3 - 9.9 4491019021 - Uncanny X-Men Ann 3 - 9.8 ..and pretty sure submitter is VIP |
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Quote:Originally Posted by SidTheSquid I respectfully disagree. Grades have loosened dramatically over the past years. It won't be long until you send a book in and get a 9.8 just for submitting. It will be just like participation grades in school. It doesn't matter if it's correct, just as long as you tried, you'll get an "A." |
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Quote:Originally Posted by poka Interesting. So you can tell by the outcome how many books were submitted for the pre-screen? I haven’t looked at the books. Has anyone inspected those books’ images closely and compared against a CBCS 9.9? That is where it will get interesting. If we can see a difference. The closer to perfect, the easier it will be to see as you can count defects (if any) between the CBCS examples and CGC examples. Or between an “old” CGC graded book and a new one. What would also be interesting is if evidence emerges that there is clear favoritism. It just takes one disgruntled ex-employee to let out the secret… |
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| @Davethebrave CGC splits orders up into batches of 25, ie last two digits goes from 01-25. Submitter could have submitted more than 25 but for this particular batch received 12 9.9 across different titles/groups. totally unheard of. |
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| I was wondering when this topic would hit the boards. Automatic Comics posted a video on this 8 days ago; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7ShnZgO5H4 I’d suggest watching it to get a concise understanding of what happened. Needless to say, it is all but a statistical impossibility to get a dozen 9.9’s on a 25 book submission. Especially considering that this isn’t 12 9.9’s of the same comic. Than there is the tidbit about one of the SW #8 9.9’s recorded in the census as a 9.8. The professional color touch on a 9.8 silver age book is also something that no one in their right mind would do to such a high grade book, without ill intent. But the sheer improbability of this many 9.9’s on different books, in a 25 book submission is astounding. I guarantee that if those 12 books were cracked out and resubmitted, not a single one would get a 9.9. Edit: Just scrolled back to the first post and saw Automatic’s video was posted in the opening comment of this thread, 6 days ago. |
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| I know i have done the same thing at least once. | ||
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| Count me in...very embarrassing. | ||
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| and some of them sold on the comiclink auction which ended October 21st | ||
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| Well, we know Metropolis didn't submit the books. Otherwise, they would have been in a Comic Connect auction like that over graded 9.9 GSX #1. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by poka Yeah that's not suspicious at all. Completely normal. We have to remember that cgc is the industry leader and they said there is nothing fishy going on here. .... It's just bananas to think otherwise. Who are we going to believe, the company with no history of scandals or our lying eyes??  |
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Quote:Originally Posted by HotKeyComics lol...and Boeing who self inspects says there is nothing wrong with their planes....anyone want a window seat!!! |
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Quote:Originally Posted by DrWatson Zurzulo wouldn’t risk his company’s reputation like this. It had to have been a CGC employee or two. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by PolarisNuclearSS2020 I wouldn't bet on that. That said, it wasn't a Metro submission. |
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| This is not being discussed at all on the CGC Forums. I really don’t want to be the one who brings this issue up, I rarely post on there but someone really should. All I saw was on post, which downplayed the seriousness of this issue. There is one well written post on Automatic Comics’ CGC 9.9/10 submission tracking videos on this page. That’s it. Nothing on the statistical probability of a 12/25 9.9 submission, split between multiple books. https://boards.cgccomics.com/topic/533984-giant-size-x-men-1-just-graded-99-it-begins/?do=findComment&comment=13258853 |
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Quote:Originally Posted by PolarisNuclearSS2020 Becoming a habit of posting without reading/checking? There is a thread with 21 pages discussing this matter. https://boards.cgccomics.com/topic/539550-grading-shenanigans-at-cgc/#comments |
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Quote:Originally Posted by poka  ….well done, I guess I deserved that  I did actually check the first 2 pages in comics general- apparently I didn’t look hard enough. I’ll read it tonight, I’m very curious to see what CGC does about this. It’s pretty obvious that at least one CGC employee pulled this off, and it has a distinctly bad look for CGC’s reputation. Whomever participated in this is either brazenly stupid, has brass balls and was too greedy for their own good. The CGC 9.9/10 thing has had a lot of eyeballs on it since Nelson mentioned the possibility of a 9.9 prescreen months ago. Several YouTubers, especially Automatic Comics, have been making videos tracking newly graded 9.9 and 10’s. I would have to imagine that CGC fires the person (s) they find responsible, assuming the owner of the books in that submission (who would have to work at CGC to pull this off.) Ostensibly, that person(s) may have had a friend/associate submit the 25 books under their own CGC account to avoid loss of their job at CGC. |
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| Just read he first 3 pages and the last 3 pages of the thread on the CGC forum. Can’t say I’m surprised CGC swept this under the rug according to CGCMike’s posts “the 9.9’s are legit” (paraphrased) What no one is talking about in the context of odds of 12/25 9.9’s, is that the odds of getting even 3 or 4 9.9’s in a 25 book submission of the SAME BOOK are as good as can be as the books are being comparatively graded, as the head grader explained in the 9.8 pre screen video from around 8 months ago. We know this from a 25 book submission of Wolverine 1 1982 mini series, which resulted in a few 9.9’s and a 10, which ended up in ComicConnect auctions. CC sales are recorded in GPA. Most of these 12 9.9’s have already been sold or are listed on comiclink …..which means that comic link doesn’t report its sales to GPA. There are two huge  ‘s right there that are not being discussed anywhere.This one account has made several posts calling the points I illustrated, in effect, conspiracy theories. Absolutely amazing. https://boards.cgccomics.com/topic/539550-grading-shenanigans-at-cgc/?do=findComment&comment=13317524 Edit: Thanks @poka. And, faulty link above , here’s a screenshot of a the exchange between two boardies. Th account I am referring to is Ldarkseid1 whom goes on and on with the likes of “yeah, it’s unlikely but it’s still possible.” et al , in several posts. Absolutely absurd position to take, and my point is that we do have not only anecdotal evidence of how rare it is to get 9.9’s on 1970’s-80’s copper books. But we have the knowledge, from the mouth of the head finalizer at CGC in a video published on CGC’s official YouTube channel , how CGC determines 9.9/10’s from comparative grading in large submissions of the same comic for modern 9.8 store exclusive variants sent to CGC for 9.8 prescreens. IIRC, the first dealer to utilize the information in that CGC video was Metropolis with their 25 book submission of Wolverine 1 (1982) , which resulted in one CGC 10 and a few CGC 9.9’s. Automatic Comics has been tracking newly graded 9.9-10 books using CGCdata.com for over 6 months and has been uploading videos detailing new 9.9/10’s. It is amazing that someone at CGC took the gamble of getting away with this. But it certainly appears as if CGC is not going to do anything about this.   |
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| For what it's worth, I believe it is true that Comic Link does not report to GPA. But it's by choice. It has been that way for years. So nothing odd about these sales not getting onto GPA. | ||
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| ComicLink wanted to pick and choose what sales they reported. George said no. He then attempted to collect their data himself and I think they threatened to sue. So, no GPA data from ComicLink. I still use GPA, but it is flawed data and easily manipulated. I'm not sure how they can continue to ignore CBCS sales. |
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| @chester15 , the books were sent to ComicLink in order to avoid future scrutiny in GPA sales records. Hell, the Secret Wars 8 9.9 from this submission was recorded in the CGC census as a 9.8. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by PolarisNuclearSS2020 "...which means that comic link doesn’t report its sales to GPA." From this, I interpreted that you were just realizing that Comic Link didn't report to GPA. But I see that you are saying that Comic Link was chosen as the sales venue for that specific aspect. It's blatantly obvious something shady happened. Business as usual. Nothing will be done about it, and a month or two from now, it will be old news. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by PolarisNuclearSS2020 believe that is speculation |
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Quote:Originally Posted by PolarisNuclearSS2020   Not sure how one person can pull it off, or even two. Unless the process of verification and grading on their website is all a lie. That in and of itself would be a class action lawsuits, if so. I think they follow this. So you’re looking at a whole team of people in on the scam, from the person who assigns the tracking bar code when separated from the submission, to the person who assigns the id to the graders, to the 2 or more graders themselves who agree on the final grade. Thats a lot of people putting themselves out there to make a few extra $$. This isn’t just reholder where things apparently were not being tracked so tightly when transferring a book from one slab to another… I just think it’s a money thing that the graders have been told to be more lenient in giving out 9.9s. Hand out more 9.9s if they look good. Perhaps This grading pair took it a little too literal… The real question is if two graders give a 9.9, does a 3rd more experienced grader weigh in? I have a feeling CGC doesn’t have a “sanity check” process to flag these outliers, or flag when a single grading team is pumping out more higher grades than the average to ensure nothing is out of wack. That’s the more likely scenario in my mind. |
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