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Quote:Originally Posted by Jesse_O Yes, but...how does anyone else know that? See, this does expose a bit of a gap. There's no information about the condition of the book that would give someone a reasonable idea of its condition outside the missing pages. There's still much that can be improved regarding how books are graded, from all parties, including some indication of what the general condition of a book is if it's in the ".5" category. Consider PCGS, for coins. If a coin has been fiddled with, improperly cleaned for example, they still give you what's called a "details" grade...that gives the buyer an idea at least of the grade range, like "VF (Very Fine) Details."  |
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See pic!  |
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Quote:Originally Posted by DocBrown @DocBrown - not sure your coin example is a good one. This is similar to restoration - and from a comic perspective - it would get its regular grade with a note that it has been restored. No different from your coins. What you seem to be asking for is a qualified grade similar to across the street. This is not something cbcs offers so you would be better off over there for this kind of books. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by poka That's not the point I am making, and those coins aren't restored, in the coin sense. Notice...there is a grade range given. "VF"...so you have a general idea of overall condition of the coin. And yes, the Qualified grade works just fine in this regard, and yes, I am aware that CBCS doesn't offer a qualified grade...but that doesn't mean CBCS can't offer a "details"-type grade assignment for books like this. And no, I'm not talking about replacing the ".5"...but another line of text could work just fine. Notice...the Cap #111 posted above isn't restored. Gotta think outside the box. |
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| why would/should they. Cbcs' view is clearly that if a book is missing a page then the book is poor as a whole. Again - your example with the coin is not great as the coin is not missing anything but has been restored. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by poka Neither of those coins has been restored, and again...that's not the point of the examples. The point of the examples is that they are DAMAGED, and aren't given a numeric grade...just a grade range. Ignore the "missing something" part, and just look at the DETAILS part. Why would/should they? Because it's a gap in CBCS' services. I understand why the books are graded .5. Not an issue. The issue is that ".5" then covers the whole range of conditions...from .5 to 10 (in theory, at least) that a book could be, aside from the missing pages. If I was a buyer of Jesse's Cap #111...assuming I was ok with the missing pages...I'd still want a general idea as to the grade, or grade range of the book. Without the missing pages, would it have graded a 3.5, a 7.0, a 9.4...? These are things that customers are invariably going to want to know, especially if they intend to keep the book certified. If they're ok with the missing pages...and, frankly, it's not that big a deal in the presentation of the book, after all...they might not be ok with a scruffy copy. A "details" range gives that information. Like the coins, it's an "otherwise" designation. That is, "this book is a .5 poor, because it is missing two pages. Otherwise, it would be a _____." |
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| @DocBrown - no offense but I am not going to debate this further. I have better things to do. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by poka None taken. But it's a good discussion, and worth having. And, frankly, talking about comic book grading IS my "better things to do." Have a good night! |
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Quote:Originally Posted by DocBrown Yes - noticed  |
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Quote:Originally Posted by DocBrown I'm inclined to go back to Overstreet grading standards pre-encapsulation era. I don't have those standards handy though and can't check. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Jesse_O I'd buy 0.5's like this all day long. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Darkga Me as well. Which shows us that a grade alone does not set a finite market value. A tattered .5 or a beautiful incomplete, a spine-stressed 6 or a perfect 6 with pen scribbled all over, a grade can never replace seeing a book to determine how much one is willing to pay  (Here's talking to you ebay sellers with stock images 🤣) |
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