Page Missing From Comic: story vs. non story2116
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Quote:Originally Posted by GAC Think of it as a dead body. If it had been riddled with bullets, then it would have several holes in it, but nothing missing integral to its construction and therefor complete. If the body were missing limbs or a head, then it would be missing an integral part of its construction and therefor would be incomplete. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by GAC This is a very good question. Would love to hear from CBCS on this one. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by DrWatson Good analogy and that helps and makes sense. when does a missing piece become an incomplete? |
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Quote:Originally Posted by GAC I don't know. That's a CBCS question. I would imagine when a page or cover (front or back) is missing in its entirety. Would half a page missing still be incomplete? I wouldn't think so, but I'm not a grader. |
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| Differ between different grading firms - so agree could be interested to understand where cbcs stands. However, overall it depends on whether front cover or internal pages/back cover. The amount of Missing parts from a front cover would be smaller than internal/back covers before you are in the 0.5 grade (other defects excluded). |
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| I'm confused with this language being used. When y'all say "missing piece", are you meaning a full page? Or would a two inch square off the back cover (or front cover, or interior page) be considered incomplete? Would a "remainder" comic be considered incomplete? (Top half of front cover torn off and the book sold for half price) |
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| I dont think I'm clear on the definition of intent, "incomplete" as a means to determine if a book is allowed out of .5 poor, true .3 incomplete, or 1.0 fair incomplete? | ||
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| Missing piece is a missing piece not a missing page Two inch square off would not be considered incomplete There is no remainder (except if you move across the street). The comic would be graded as a whole |
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| @shrewbeer - within cbcs 0.3 only refers to where both covers are missing. | ||
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| So a full missing interior page is a guaranteed 0.5. Is it possible it could be lower even more if the front and back covers are intact? | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by poka Right. Im reading the cbcs page of grades, its not exactly clear but *seems that to drop into .5 incomplete story must be affected. Fair seems to allow clipped coupons and "panels" missing (whatever that means) |
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| Nothing like a real life sample. Graders notes: 00-0004354-AA-001 Captain America #111 Marvel 3 1969 Variant: Pedigree: 0.5 Verified Off-White/White None Signees: SIGNED BY JIM STERANKO. Last 2 pages missing, does not affect story. INCOMPLETE. Notes: signature verified by CSA last 2 pages missing, INCOMPLETE  |
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| According to OSGG: (paraphrasing) 1.0 can have "Interior Tears," "Chunks Missing," "Centerfold may be missing if readability is preserved" 0.5 "Extensive Tears," "Multiple pages, including centerfold, may be missing that affect readability," "Coupons may be cut" |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Jesse_O If that same book was in worse condition...say more spine ticks, creases, bends, folds etc... And still the same 2 pages missing....would it still get 0.5 grade? Or would it get a lower grade? I ask because I have a Hulk 2 in your system for grading. It's missing a non-story impacting page. The cover is rougher than that Cap 111 pictured. Is it possible it might get a grade higher or lower than 0.5 or is it getting the 0.5 grade for certain? |
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| @GAC - still 0.5. Refer to https://www.cbcscomics.com/grades In order to get lower than 0.5 the cover would have to be missing. |
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Unlike CGC, CBCS does have a guideline on their websie. Here are the gradng guides from 1.5 to .1   |
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Quote:Originally Posted by poka Thank you for that! It appears I'm guaranteed a 0.5 grade. |
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| 0.3 is reserved for coverless but otherwise complete. So (I'm assuming) as long you have the cover, even an incomplete with a cover it won't drop below 0.5. | ||
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| @GAC - wish to share a pic of your book? | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by Jesse_O That is a beautiful example. So, other than the missing pages, what condition is it in...? (whistle) |
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Quote:Originally Posted by poka Sure! I think if the book was complete I might have eeked out a 2.0...possibly.  |
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| Nice | ||
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| @DocBrown If I remember correctly, I was hoping for a 7.5-8.0. I'm still ticked that I didn't look at it close enough!! I'm considering if it would be worth it to marry an inside to the cover, and get it verified again. Or if I should just get another copy and have it witnessed by Steranko. | ||
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@Jesse_O - or you could take it across the street  |
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Quote:Originally Posted by poka I suppose I COULD live in an alternate reality and get a "qualified" grade on it. SMH |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Jesse_O Yes, but...how does anyone else know that? See, this does expose a bit of a gap. There's no information about the condition of the book that would give someone a reasonable idea of its condition outside the missing pages. There's still much that can be improved regarding how books are graded, from all parties, including some indication of what the general condition of a book is if it's in the ".5" category. Consider PCGS, for coins. If a coin has been fiddled with, improperly cleaned for example, they still give you what's called a "details" grade...that gives the buyer an idea at least of the grade range, like "VF (Very Fine) Details."  |
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See pic!  |
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Quote:Originally Posted by DocBrown @DocBrown - not sure your coin example is a good one. This is similar to restoration - and from a comic perspective - it would get its regular grade with a note that it has been restored. No different from your coins. What you seem to be asking for is a qualified grade similar to across the street. This is not something cbcs offers so you would be better off over there for this kind of books. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by poka That's not the point I am making, and those coins aren't restored, in the coin sense. Notice...there is a grade range given. "VF"...so you have a general idea of overall condition of the coin. And yes, the Qualified grade works just fine in this regard, and yes, I am aware that CBCS doesn't offer a qualified grade...but that doesn't mean CBCS can't offer a "details"-type grade assignment for books like this. And no, I'm not talking about replacing the ".5"...but another line of text could work just fine. Notice...the Cap #111 posted above isn't restored. Gotta think outside the box. |
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| why would/should they. Cbcs' view is clearly that if a book is missing a page then the book is poor as a whole. Again - your example with the coin is not great as the coin is not missing anything but has been restored. |
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