Page Missing From Comic: story vs. non story2116
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| Hi Guys, What's the highest grade possible if a comic has a full page cut out of it? Does it matter if that missing page affects the story or not (I.e. Non story missing page would get a higher grade than a story missing page)? Does the label state there's a missing page? Also, what colour label is given? Thanks!! |
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| 0.5 incomplete - does not matter whether or not affects story Yes - label will say what is missing Will get normal colour |
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I have seen a CGC Qualified grade of 7.5 with pages missing that effect the story. See pic below. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by poka Awesome!! Thank you!!! |
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| @waddy - correct from across the street | ||
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| You look like you're from that other school. | ||
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| I have a golden age book graded by CGC that is "Qualified" and label states "last page missing". It is a kind of a rare book and is only a 3.5 All Great Comics #14 (#12) |
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| Any book submitted to CBCS that's missing a page will get a grade of .5 and you will see a notation on the label along the lines of "12th page missing, (affects story) or (does not affect story). INCOMPLETE. | ||
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| Nice to hear that CBCS does it right. I was shocked when I found the CGC 7.5 with 4 missing pages. No comic missing anything should have any grade anove 1.0. CGC's practices are questionable at best. I will never submit anything else to them, and will only buy CGC comics after very close scrutiny. CBCS quality and consistency is great. If I buy a 9.8 from CBCS, it is a 9.8. With CGC, who knows? The Shadow? Rory |
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| Green label=fake grade. Great for resale but still fake. | ||
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| The Green label decision was unfortunate from day 1. I know that some people here love to hate on CGC for just about anything but I have to agree with the idiocy of the green label idea | ||
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| out of curiosity, if a Marvel Value stamp is cut out and that's the only missing piece is that considered incomplete? does the book get an automatic .5? | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by GAC Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the rules between cgc and cbcs are different here as well. From what I remember, CGC will not consider a comic incomplete for a non-story affecting cutout, whereas CBCS considers it automatically an incomplete comic and thus .5 poor grade no matter if it affects story or not. I think fair allows for a bit of cutout but not exactly clear... |
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Poor incomplete has always been how I looked at it. Buyers can always pay more depending on their tolerance  |
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| I definitely prefer complete over incomplete obviously. I have a marginally higher tolerance for incomplete non-story impact vs. story impact. But it also depends on the book. I would absolutely consider purchasing an Amazing Fantasy 15 or Hulk 1 (or any books of that ilk) in incomplete (.5) if the price was right. I think most collectors would agree. I have a motto when it comes to condition of comics: "better to have than not to have and I can always upgrade". |
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Quote:Originally Posted by GAC Absolutely! I will even buy a PAGE of a comic if that's what it takes to get it in my budget, and every key book I own I'm always looking to upgrade later unless it's a sentimental book. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by shrewbeer Exactly!!!! Couldn't agree more!! |
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Quote:Originally Posted by GAC No - will be considered a missing piece not a missing page - but of course will be a significant flaw so will impact the grade quite a bit |
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| I think the Qualified label is fine. I look at it this way: a ".5" doesn't really tell me much about the book's condition. It could be a ragged piece of junk...or, an otherwise 9.4 that someone carefully cut a single page out of. The Qualified grade gives me that idea, while still telling me that the rest of the book is in a certain condition. A ".5" doesn't tell me anything other than the book is incomplete. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Jerkfro Agreed. It's an inflated grade with a disclaimer in an effort to sell an otherwise hinky book. GLOD - the Green Label of Death. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by DocBrown This makes a lot of sense. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by poka At what point does a missing piece become an incomplete? |
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| Here's a scenario: what if you have a book that has several missing pieces and the missing pieces amount to a full page in area. That book would be graded and not receive the incomplete 0.5 correct? But the book with a missing page gets an automatic 0.5. I'm not sure I feel thats right. Thoughts? | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by GAC Correct - but I will give you another example - you can have a very scruffy but complete book or the nicest looking book but which has a missing page - which one would you wish to have? |
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Quote:Originally Posted by poka It depends on the book. If the book is a rare and expensive one, like Batman #47, and the page missing is an ad page....I'll take the nice looking copy with the missing page, because it will be substantially cheaper. If the book is a common one, like Hulk #181, and I can throw a rock at a convention and hit 37 copies of it, I'll take the scruffy one that's complete. Story pages missing...regardless of how it looks...is the deal breaker for me. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by GAC Think of it as a dead body. If it had been riddled with bullets, then it would have several holes in it, but nothing missing integral to its construction and therefor complete. If the body were missing limbs or a head, then it would be missing an integral part of its construction and therefor would be incomplete. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by GAC This is a very good question. Would love to hear from CBCS on this one. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by DrWatson Good analogy and that helps and makes sense. when does a missing piece become an incomplete? |
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Quote:Originally Posted by GAC I don't know. That's a CBCS question. I would imagine when a page or cover (front or back) is missing in its entirety. Would half a page missing still be incomplete? I wouldn't think so, but I'm not a grader. |
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| Differ between different grading firms - so agree could be interested to understand where cbcs stands. However, overall it depends on whether front cover or internal pages/back cover. The amount of Missing parts from a front cover would be smaller than internal/back covers before you are in the 0.5 grade (other defects excluded). |
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