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Someone on the CGC Boards proposed this
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Who are the experts? What do they know about restoration? What is their standing in our community? What are the prices/tiers? I think it was a lack luster 1st announcement....

They called me for advice and I had a 1 hour+ zoom call with them and gave them plenty of advice for free. Then I told them, that was free because I feel the need for a 3rd true grading service and I would be happy to help them, but time is money for me.

I said it would be a very nominal fee, but the lady I spoke to was very arrogant at the end of the meeting and said that she did not need me and could do it herself. Pretty dumb if ya ask me. Oh, well.

I hope that they do well for our amazing hobby. Just not sure the will. Time will tell....



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For a company that has been around since 1991 and is considered to be the largest card grading company in the world, I have to say that I am not impressed. I don’t know who they talked to (besides Borock - very briefly according to Steve, and a YouTube influencer), but it doesn’t seem like they put a whole lot of research and effort into this. I can see wanting to keep a similar label as their cards, but they couldn’t come up with something more appealing than that?! As mentioned, the dimensions seem wrong, so their slabs won’t fit in standard sleeves or storage boxes. Are they going to make and sell those too for their own product? And why would you use a picture of an actual comic, but put false information on the label? Did their “experts” not know anything about Newsstand editions? Seems like a very amateurish mistake that doesn’t exactly fill you with confidence in their ability to get things right.
If they have as deep pockets as everyone is saying, then they will go ahead and try to be a major player in the comic and magazine grading market. I would expect growing pains, delays, and mistakes, but ultimately they will be judged by the prices the books in their slabs sell for. CGC has been grading comics since 2000, and they are still making mistakes. But because they were first, and have put so many books in slabs over that time period, they are practically bulletproof. Too many collectors, dealers, and spectators are too invested at this point in time that I don’t ever see them disappearing, or even giving up the #1 spot. CBCS has had many chances over the last few years to really cut into CGC’s share of the market, but unfortunately, even with a superior slab and probably more consistent grading, they remain a distant #2 (and seem to be okay with that). I thought Beckett would have really made a push when they purchased CBCS, but it seemed more like a whimper than a bang. No noticeable increase in advertising, no noticeable increase in special deals or sales, mostly business as usual (they did do away with memberships, changed the tiers, and raised prices on grading, pressing, and shipping plus insurance).
Competition is good for business. The presence of CBCS has at least put a little pressure on CGC. I wonder how they would have reacted to their numerous “issues” if there was no competition? Maybe PSA will put pressure on both of them to improve. I won’t even talk about PGX (formerly PGA World - anyone remember that label), because I don’t know anyone that would use them. The fact that they, and companies like EGS even exist, tells you that people will try out PSA. There’s definitely room for three comic grading companies. PSA has, or is about to, throw their hat in the ring. The question that we should be asking on this forum is - will CBCS remain content with being #2, or will they be okay if they become #3? Time will tell.
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For a company that has been around since 1991 and is considered to be the largest card grading company in the world, I have to say that I am not impressed. I don’t know who they talked to (besides Borock - very briefly according to Steve, and a YouTube influencer), but it doesn’t seem like they put a whole lot of research and effort into this. I can see wanting to keep a similar label as their cards, but they couldn’t come up with something more appealing than that?! As mentioned, the dimensions seem wrong, so their slabs won’t fit in standard sleeves or storage boxes. Are they going to make and sell those too for their own product? And why would you use a picture of an actual comic, but put false information on the label? Did their “experts” not know anything about Newsstand editions? Seems like a very amateurish mistake that doesn’t exactly fill you with confidence in their ability to get things right.
If they have as deep pockets as everyone is saying, then they will go ahead and try to be a major player in the comic and magazine grading market. I would expect growing pains, delays, and mistakes, but ultimately they will be judged by the prices the books in their slabs sell for. CGC has been grading comics since 2000, and they are still making mistakes. But because they were first, and have put so many books in slabs over that time period, they are practically bulletproof. Too many collectors, dealers, and spectators are too invested at this point in time that I don’t ever see them disappearing, or even giving up the #1 spot. CBCS has had many chances over the last few years to really cut into CGC’s share of the market, but unfortunately, even with a superior slab and probably more consistent grading, they remain a distant #2 (and seem to be okay with that). I thought Beckett would have really made a push when they purchased CBCS, but it seemed more like a whimper than a bang. No noticeable increase in advertising, no noticeable increase in special deals or sales, mostly business as usual (they did do away with memberships, changed the tiers, and raised prices on grading, pressing, and shipping plus insurance).
Competition is good for business. The presence of CBCS has at least put a little pressure on CGC. I wonder how they would have reacted to their numerous “issues” if there was no competition? Maybe PSA will put pressure on both of them to improve. I won’t even talk about PGX (formerly PGA World - anyone remember that label), because I don’t know anyone that would use them. The fact that they, and companies like EGS even exist, tells you that people will try out PSA. There’s definitely room for three comic grading companies. PSA has, or is about, to throw their hat in the ring. The question that we should be asking on this forum is - will CBCS remain content with being #2, or will they be okay if they become #3? Time will tell.


I wouldn't be okay with humber 2. Cbcs just needs to keep doing what they're doing and the customers will come to them. That's how I made it here.
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Who are the experts? What do they know about restoration? What is their standing in our community? What are the prices/tiers? I think it was a lack luster 1st announcement....

They called me for advice and I had a 1 hour+ zoom call with them and gave them plenty of advice for free. Then I told them, that was free because I feel the need for a 3rd true grading service and I would be happy to help them, but time is money for me.

I said it would be a very nominal fee, but the lady I spoke to was very arrogant at the end of the meeting and said that she did not need me and could do it herself. Pretty dumb if ya ask me. Oh, well.

I hope that they do well for our amazing hobby. Just not sure the will. Time will tell....

Whatever the work they have put into this venture, whatever the understanding of the market or established product, whatever their own vision is: this person being so dismissive of Steve and his standing is unacceptable. And insane!
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They called me for advice and I had a 1 hour+ zoom call with them and gave them plenty of advice for free. Then I told them, that was free because I feel the need for a 3rd true grading service and I would be happy to help them, but time is money for me.

I said it would be a very nominal fee, but the lady I spoke to was very arrogant at the end of the meeting and said that she did not need me and could do it herself. Pretty dumb if ya ask me. Oh, well.


Strangely undiplomatic way to respond to someone that they called for advice. I like to believe that if I were making that phone call I would have been prepared for the compensation conversation and would have had a more ally-oriented response. Something that would have at least kept you open to future conversations.
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Who are the experts? What do they know about restoration? What is their standing in our community? What are the prices/tiers? I think it was a lack luster 1st announcement....

They called me for advice and I had a 1 hour+ zoom call with them and gave them plenty of advice for free. Then I told them, that was free because I feel the need for a 3rd true grading service and I would be happy to help them, but time is money for me.

I said it would be a very nominal fee, but the lady I spoke to was very arrogant at the end of the meeting and said that she did not need me and could do it herself. Pretty dumb if ya ask me. Oh, well.

I hope that they do well for our amazing hobby. Just not sure the will. Time will tell....


If I started a new grading company, the one person I would consult is Steve Borock. There is no one in the business that knows more about comics and comic grading than Steve. To be so dismissive of Steve is absolutely nuts. It's obvious they have no idea what they're doing.

It looks like they're trying to take their card grading formula and use it for comic grading. The two are night and day different. Cards are graded on basically 4 things, corners, centering, surface condition and edges. Comics are graded based on those four plus, missing pages, page condition (tears, stains, creases, foxing), staples, fading, water damage, bends, folds, dents, writing, restoration, spine tress, bindery tears, etc, etc. It takes a lot of knowledge and a deep understanding of comics to be able to accurately determine a comics' grade. So far with their hiring an influencer and dismissing the most knowledgeable comic guru in the business is a poor way to start their business.

So far, I'm not impressed. We can all say competition is good for the hobby but I personally won't even try their service. I've always found their card labels lacking. They look like something from the 1950's, plain and boring. It's true the book is what matters not the label but having a label add to the books' appeal and not detract from it is what I value. So I wish them luck but they won't get my business.
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I would have been prepared for the compensation


Even I've been compensated a couple hundred bucks for my fraudulent opinions at various focus groups. You'd think they'd value an expert's opinion more.
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My guess is Steve’s reputation for generosity was taken for granted - perhaps abused.

If that arrogance is representative, they may be in for a rude awakening…
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If someone ever paid me for my opinions I'm not sure I could stay as humble as I am.

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Nielsen sends me ratings diaries all the time. I'm amazed at what I'll do for $10 cash in small bills.
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If I was steve and th3y asked me for advice I would say " Don't eat the yellow snow".
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If I was steve and th3y asked me for advice I would say " Don't eat the yellow snow".

You'd call them back the next day and say, "Eat the yellow. Eat it by the gallon. It's my favorite!"
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@DrWatson lmao!!!
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How to start a grading business. Step one:
Do the exact opposite of what we do. Lol
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Timing could be ripe for a grading company with a forum that allows political conversation. Maybe that's their plan for differentiation.
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Ima gonna steal this and look for some occasion to use it! IronMan private msg quote post Address this user
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@flanders I don't think it's a place holder. This is direct from PSA:










Photos came from a Bleeding Cool article.
That is one ugly label. That alone would keep me from submitting to them.


I'm OK with a simple label design, although they could keep it simple and still make it a bit more appealing.

What is dumb is identifying a copy of Hulk 181 as a "newsstand". They are all newsstand. Sure, a very small number were distributed by Seuling's Sea Gate Distributors (and maybe by 1974 Sea Gate had a couple of competitors) but they were still "newsstand" copies. There is nothing different about the books that Sea Gate sold to comic shops versus those that went through traditional distribution to drug stores, book stands and the rest. All of the current comic grading companies do not identify comics as newsstand or direct until what - 1978?
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What tickles me is the back of the label looks as if it reads, "SAP SAP SAP." Ha, giggles.
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What is dumb is identifying a copy of Hulk 181 as a "newsstand". They are all newsstand. Sure, a very small number were distributed by Seuling's Sea Gate Distributors (and maybe by 1974 Sea Gate had a couple of competitors) but they were still "newsstand" copies. There is nothing different about the books that Sea Gate sold to comic shops versus those that went through traditional distribution to drug stores, book stands and the rest. All of the current comic grading companies do not identify comics as newsstand or direct until what - 1978?


other grading companies are doing the same
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@flanders I don't think it's a place holder. This is direct from PSA:










Photos came from a Bleeding Cool article.
That is one ugly label. That alone would keep me from submitting to them.


I'm OK with a simple label design, although they could keep it simple and still make it a bit more appealing.

What is dumb is identifying a copy of Hulk 181 as a "newsstand". They are all newsstand. Sure, a very small number were distributed by Seuling's Sea Gate Distributors (and maybe by 1974 Sea Gate had a couple of competitors) but they were still "newsstand" copies. There is nothing different about the books that Sea Gate sold to comic shops versus those that went through traditional distribution to drug stores, book stands and the rest. All of the current comic grading companies do not identify comics as newsstand or direct until what - 1978?
if I were to hazard a guess. It be could an additional (cover your ass) step to differentiate from the 2012 ToyBiz reprint which also has a .25 cent cover price. Given the ToyBiz reprint is the size and look of a modern book and labeled as it should be; that’s the only logical explanation I can think of.
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@flanders I don't think it's a place holder. This is direct from PSA:










Photos came from a Bleeding Cool article.
That is one ugly label. That alone would keep me from submitting to them.


I'm OK with a simple label design, although they could keep it simple and still make it a bit more appealing.

What is dumb is identifying a copy of Hulk 181 as a "newsstand". They are all newsstand. Sure, a very small number were distributed by Seuling's Sea Gate Distributors (and maybe by 1974 Sea Gate had a couple of competitors) but they were still "newsstand" copies. There is nothing different about the books that Sea Gate sold to comic shops versus those that went through traditional distribution to drug stores, book stands and the rest. All of the current comic grading companies do not identify comics as newsstand or direct until what - 1978?
if I were to hazard a guess. It be could an additional (cover your ass) step to differentiate from the 2012 ToyBiz reprint which also has a .25 cent cover price. Given the ToyBiz reprint is the size and look of a modern book and labeled as it should be; that’s the only logical explanation I can think of.


I'd chalk this up to probably being a rookie mistake. New to grading comics and not understanding that in 1974, for all intents and purposes, all books were newstand. This is the "danger" of knowing a little about something. They're obviously aware of newsstands and the importance of noting it on the label but maybe not knowing enough that noting it on pre-197X is redundant.
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@flanders I don't think it's a place holder. This is direct from PSA:










Photos came from a Bleeding Cool article.
That is one ugly label. That alone would keep me from submitting to them.


I'm OK with a simple label design, although they could keep it simple and still make it a bit more appealing.

What is dumb is identifying a copy of Hulk 181 as a "newsstand". They are all newsstand. Sure, a very small number were distributed by Seuling's Sea Gate Distributors (and maybe by 1974 Sea Gate had a couple of competitors) but they were still "newsstand" copies. There is nothing different about the books that Sea Gate sold to comic shops versus those that went through traditional distribution to drug stores, book stands and the rest. All of the current comic grading companies do not identify comics as newsstand or direct until what - 1978?
if I were to hazard a guess. It be could an additional (cover your ass) step to differentiate from the 2012 ToyBiz reprint which also has a .25 cent cover price. Given the ToyBiz reprint is the size and look of a modern book and labeled as it should be; that’s the only logical explanation I can think of.


I'd chalk this up to probably being a rookie mistake. New to grading comics and not understanding that in 1974, for all intents and purposes, all books were newstand. This is the "danger" of knowing a little about something. They're obviously aware of newsstands and the importance of noting it on the label but maybe not knowing enough that noting it on pre-197X is redundant.
I can see that, but at some point it became a standard. It may be one of the many things in this hobby that has no logical, rational, or common sense reason for being.
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I'm sure their Department of Redundancy Department will look into it.
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Which is right next to quality control, customer service and family vision care.
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@DrWatson @ComicNinja0215 You mean Vogon bureaucracy??🤣🤣



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I forgot about the build a bear...🤣
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Does PSA have a compliance and liability department??
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Does PSA have a compliance and liability department??
it’s in the name? Public Service Announcement?
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Does PSA have a compliance and liability department??
it’s in the name? Public Service Announcement?


Lol ah, yes.
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I have found this interesting. Its floated around for years. I'm assuming its accurate.




Previously discussed link on Newsstand vs. Direct: clickable text
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