CGC knowingly damaging books?20972
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| I'm surprised they let you return the books. I wonder how they explain to the seller that they aren't getting paid? | ||
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| @DrWatson I think Comiclink and MCS are now the owners of those books. That's also why MCS undergrades. They don't want to deal with a bunch of returns on raw consignments. | ||
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| What a mess this whole situation has become. The weird thing to me is that, even today, I see comments on Instagram from people stating that they are about to send some super-expensive books to CGC for grading. And I mean like "really nice Timely Captain America #1" expensive. At the very least, I think I'd wait to submit a book like that until I was sure that it wasn't going to be damaged by the slab. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by DWeeB1967 Preach |
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DrWatson private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by flanders I don't see how they could do that. They not going to eat every book that could be potentially returned. I could see them returning the book to the consignor and telling them to take it up with the cgc. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by DrWatson A lot of times comiclink submits through their own account after the customer sends them raw books. If they don't have their own quality control and deal with cgc themselves, they're definitely on the hook. Maybe they'll sue CGC too. |
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| Well the higher up a company you are the harder to get fired. They will probably let 10 percent of the staff go over it and give him a bonus. | ||
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I'm waiting.... (tapping fingers). Splotches is gettin old! |
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| @Jgwalters100 Truer words have never been spoken | ||
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PhilCoulson private msg quote post Address this user | |
| As I said in my post above we know that CGC caused the problem, but when ComicLink and MCS sold them in that condition, knowing about the problem, it then became their problem. I feel like they were just as culpable as CGC. A logical person would look for the known issue but perhaps they are so large they simply can't slow the train down to inspect that many comics. Kudos to them for taking care of the little guy and I won't forget it. | ||
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What shocks the  out of me is that nobody and I mean nobody of any importance to that company has made a statement. There is a very long and growing thread of folk's talking about this and ..crickets. I've went back and forth on which company to send books to about a trillion times; never occurred to me to just use both and forget about it. Egs and pgx are low rung graders but this is a whole new level of dumb. |
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| One thing I've learned the last several years is if you never admit a mistake or apologize, a lot of people won't think you have done anything wrong. | ||
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ComicNinja0215 private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by Jgwalters100 All they have to do is just make a statement saying: "Hey, there is an honest problem with our cases, we are currently working to correct it," " In the meantime, if you happen to have a defective case; please return to us". That's it!!! I was going to crack a jim lee signed book at nycc but that ship has sailed. |
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KatKomics private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by ComicNinja0215 lol...sigh....you guys know better than I that we all live in massively litigious societies right? and USA more so everything goes through lawyers - you can't admit wrong doing because then you need to make it right and that costs big $$$ Far better to say and do nothing especially if there are basically zero repercussions |
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ComicNinja0215 private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by KatKomics True lol it's all fun and games til the suits come out. Anyway, seems like cgc can't stop tripping over their own feet. |
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I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this.
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| Is cgc still using these problematic cases for current submissions? | ||
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 Not trying to be an ass since February 12, 2020.
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Quote:Originally Posted by GACI think CGC is the problem and they’re so in denial that they’re projecting their own problems onto the slabs and book coming from them. Like malevolent manifestation, but with plastic and books. |
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I'd like to say I still turned out alright, but that would be a lie.
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| @GAC according to the ongoing thread at CGC, they absolutely are. | ||
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 It's like the Roach Motel for comic collectors.
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chester15 private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by DrWatsonThe consignor is paid shortly after shipping to the buyer, so hard for the consignee to yank the payment back. I think they do get caught with it, part of the cost of doing business. Hopefully it's a rare occurrence. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by HulkSmash I have a different opinion... I don't think there is any sense of denial at all. I think they absolutely know there is a problem, but at the same time absolutely refuse to do anything about it - whether this is due to bullheadedness or financial or some other reason, they just opt to bury their heads in the sand. That opinion is based on their past actions and decisions. |
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I'm waiting.... (tapping fingers). Splotches is gettin old! |
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Quote:Originally Posted by KatKomics Bingo! |
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Quote:Originally Posted by PhilCoulson If you’re a member there, you should consider posting this on the CGC Boards in the thread dedicated to this topic. If two of the larger auction houses have to start taking a percentage of their books back due to this, it might not take long before the risk is too great to sell slabs with 43 and 44 numbers. Honestly, I think the issue extends beyond those and goes back even further in some cases. I’m not sure how they will handle the returns with the consignors, but if they have to wait for their money until the slab can go through another auction process, they aren’t going to be happy either. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by GAC Quote: Originally Posted by flanders yeah...I would expect they need to use up existing inventory never mind the lead time to get a correction into production. No way on earth CGC has any sort of provision for old/obsolete inventory and I would guess they aren't getting cases made on demand with regular deliveries....they must be buying 6 months or more of stock at a time - can't imagine whomever makes these isn't making other things for larger more important customers so CGC is really getting slabs when the supplier can fit them in (with minimum production runs too!) So like yeah...6 months to a year to run down current stock maybe longer depending if they need a re-supply before a fix is into production...however long it takes to design/test/approve a fix! |
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| With all the shenanigans going on over there, I switched the book I was going to send to cgc ( even with the incentive they gave me)to CBCS. This is the second time I've done this within a month. Sorry, not sorry. | ||
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I'm waiting.... (tapping fingers). Splotches is gettin old! |
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| Between depressed graded values & CGC incompetence, I'm all but done for awhile. Still doing Signature series as they carry a premium, on average. But I can get less aggravation from digging into a honey badger's den than dealing with that company in sarasota that is worse run than the mickey mouse club |
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ComicNinja0215 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I just didn't want to risk it. It's scary, I like the cgc case but there are a lot of instances where this a bigger problem than just a few bad inner wells that got through. Pgx has more credibility and thats hard to say. |
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ComicNinja0215 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Annnnnd my last book from cgc is bent inside, what a shocker!!! Cbcs all the way. I'm heading over rhee to turn my membership off. Hopefully, you guys can welcome me back. | ||
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I'd like to say I still turned out alright, but that would be a lie.
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flanders private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by ComicNinja0215 I wasn't aware that you left again. It's hard to keep up with your decisions that are always in flux. |
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