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I've spent years perfecting my brand of assholery. DrWatson private msg quote post Address this user
Maybe they wouldn't transfer it. Maybe they'd just blow it the hell up and reinvent it as just a subforum of Beckett grading.

I don't know. I'm not in IT. either. I suppose I'm speaking more figuratively. Instead of being independent, we'd become a much smaller part of a whole.

It may not be perfect, but it's ours, and frankly, I find it rather enjoyable.

When Borock first started CBCS, he didn't want a forum carbon copied off the cgc. He made that clear more than once. Who knows what his reasons were? It's probably quite frightening what swirls around inside his tie-dyed mind.
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I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this. GAC private msg quote post Address this user
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Stay on target. https://boards.cgccomics.com/topic/540840-crossover-fail/

I'm not sure how one goes from a CBCS 9.8 to a CGC 7.5 but it sounds like someone funked this dude's book up. I'm not buying that the crease was always on the back cover and CBCS somehow missed it.


I was in banned camp over at the cgc board so my posts are being viewed by moderators before being public posts....I'm not confident this post will make it passed the mods.

This is in response to the OP who got a cgc 7.5 from a cbcs 9.8 and he only collects cgc.




Lol.

BTW, I blame you for getting the QC thread closed when you started inviting everyone to the CBCS forum...lol


lol!!

Shockingly I'm still not permanently banned...I just logged in a few minutes ago....what's a guy to do to get banned in those parts?!
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Once you get to the actual thread content, the CBCS forum has a pointless, annoying feature whereby the last few posts from the previous page are repeated.


This tramautizes me on an hourly basis.


yes but the posts which are repeated are in different color so annoying but quick to scroll down to the new posts


How about I build four three foot brick walls outside your front door, five feet apart. Annoying, but it'll be quick to jump over them every morning when you go out


maybe find an analogy which is more relevant. you are talking about building a new wall vs something which is annoying but already there.
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There are no bad doughnuts. Even the picked over ones get eaten by the end of the day. Yes, crullers, I'm looking at you.


Agree! Maple bacon is my favorite, but can't go wrong with the classic old fashioned.


Was disappointed Dunkin didn’t bring back the ghost pepper donut…
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Apparently, I am easily annoyed. Rbolton private msg quote post Address this user
Thus is what we refer to as an old fashioned in Kansas. I’m getting doughnuts in the morning!

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I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this. GAC private msg quote post Address this user
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Thus is what we refer to as an old fashioned in Kansas. I’m getting doughnuts in the morning!



In Canada, we have a donut that looks very simar but ours is a sour cream glazed.


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The apple sauce and pudding were the best part... Bronte private msg quote post Address this user
I miss the French crullers at dunkin. They haven't sold them in what seems like years.

On a side note they killed off the green goddess wrap which was excellent as well.
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past performance is no guarantee of future actions. KatKomics private msg quote post Address this user
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Stay on target. https://boards.cgccomics.com/topic/540840-crossover-fail/

I'm not sure how one goes from a CBCS 9.8 to a CGC 7.5 but it sounds like someone funked this dude's book up. I'm not buying that the crease was always on the back cover and CBCS somehow missed it.


I'll also say....never re-holder a 9.8
OooooOoooo..I ONLY collect CGC
Get over it...me..I collect comics
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past performance is no guarantee of future actions. KatKomics private msg quote post Address this user
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Thus is what we refer to as an old fashioned in Kansas. I’m getting doughnuts in the morning!



Looks like sour cream donuts - and I LOVE them
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@ComicNinja0215 We're good at multi-tasking.

1. Donuts are awesome. I grew up with old fashioned being glazed.

2. CGC is a dumpster fire that is purging the accountability of its conduct. And they definitely damaged that prior CBCS 9.8 book at some point in the process. Or they mixed up that book with another during the encapsulation process. Or they printed the wrong label. Or they're using blind graders who are just guessing for each book. All options are possible at this point.

Or - now hear me out now - it's all of those things happening at once!
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would be nice to have a snugger fit. Sigur_Ros private msg quote post Address this user
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https://www.cgccomics.com/certlookup/4518693002/

I must be blind. I zoomed in on the high resolution scans and see nothing.


One thing you CAN tell is that book, even without the tear, is not a 9.8.

So either CGC caused this, or it's swapped, or it was overgraded by CBCS.

Some of that doesn't look like damage that could be caused just by being moved from one case to another. The top and bottom corner wear looks aged.















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I've spent years perfecting my brand of assholery. DrWatson private msg quote post Address this user
Or he had the book pressed (more than likely for a second time) and CCS was a little too rough with the book.

Plus, all of these defects are magnified to the nth degree and on a black cover. They always look worse in scans than they do in hand.

Maybe he needs to start collecting comic books instead of labels.
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one more annoying thing which will thread will soon hit is the 999 post limit
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I've spent years perfecting my brand of assholery. DrWatson private msg quote post Address this user
Well, it will eliminate the field of tiny boxes at the start of each thread.
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Well, it will eliminate the field of tiny boxes at the start of each thread.

Don't take the boxes they are my reason for existence.
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and you get to see them at the bottom as well - just to be sure if you missed them on the top
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I've spent years perfecting my brand of assholery. DrWatson private msg quote post Address this user
You can always go to the cgc boards, fart crooked, and get canceled... unless you're Canadian, apparently.
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Why just the women? I like bears. Gaard private msg quote post Address this user
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one more annoying thing which will thread will soon hit is the 999 post limit

The first thing you need to know before I ask what's on my mind is that I'm very ignorant when it comes to how these forums work. That being said...

Why is there a 999 post limit, but the '(Just for fun)ID this cover' thread have over 45,000 posts?
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one more annoying thing which will thread will soon hit is the 999 post limit

The first thing you need to know before I ask what's on my mind is that I'm very ignorant when it comes to how these forums work. That being said...

Why is there a 999 post limit, but the '(Just for fun)ID this cover' thread have over 45,000 posts?


standard is 999 - beforehand we could apply for a thread to have no limits. most would get rejected - only a chosen few got selected
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I've spent years perfecting my brand of assholery. DrWatson private msg quote post Address this user
And those that have been going on forever need to be locked and restarted in order to eliminate the wall o' boxes.
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Beaten by boat oars Studley_Dudley private msg quote post Address this user
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Hello Wade.

I'm happy to provide some feedback here and I'll do so by comparing the CBCS forum to the CGC one if I may. I want to be clear that CBCS and CGC are irrelevant in what follows - I'm comparing the forum software that CBCS use (Ninjapost) to the software that CGC use (Invision).

I want you to think as if you are a comic enthusiast, visiting each of the forums in turn for the first time. The first difference you will see is that the CGC/Invision software provides structure. There you will see different forums and sub-forums, tailored to the subject matter, with clear headings to assist navigation. If you are interested in, say, the Silver Age, you'll see a Silver Age forum over at CGC on their landing page. Here at CBCS, we have a landing page that is in effect one long toilet roll comprising every thread ever created. Tags are not forum headings. This makes navigation very difficult and off-putting. Once a thread is a few weeks old, it is out of sight.

Once you access a CBCS thread, you are presented with things like this:











That looks like a child devised the formatting. This is what you will see atop a CGC forum thread:




Once you get to the actual thread content, the CBCS forum has a pointless, annoying feature whereby the last few posts from the previous page are repeated. So you may have scrolled for ages just to get to new content and I find myself second guessing what is new and what is repeated.

When it comes to actually composing a post, the CBCS forum software is a like a wooden box on wheels compared to the Ferrari that is the CGC forum software. Take a look at this post I made just before being banned:

https://boards.cgccomics.com/topic/471133-the-distribution-of-us-published-comics-in-the-uk-1959~1982/page/328/#findComment-13352816

It would be impossible to recreate that here at CBCS. The Invision software that CGC uses allows me to:

- Add multiple images quickly and easily
- Resize those images
- Place them side by side
- Add hyper links to them
- Centre them

The process of adding content - whether that be an image, link, gif or member tag - is simplicity itself.

The layout at CGC is so much more user friendly with clear visual delineation between posts. They have journals, galleries, events, leaderboards, online users page, 'my activity' functionality. At CGC I can like a post in a number of ways - funny, sad, like, thanks, and it has meaning. Here the 'votes' mean what? If I think someone has made a funny post I have to say it, in a post, as giving a vote out of three ticks has no meaning.

At CGC, I can click on a hyperlink in a quoted post to take me back to the original post, allowing me to better understand the discussion at that point, and when it was made.

Take a look at my profile page at CGC. Look at all the things I can do with it, and the information it provides:

https://boards.cgccomics.com/profile/34042-get-marwood-i/

I could go on - but essentially I think that CBCS have been reliant on the Ninja software for too long and it is like something out of the Ark when compared to the Invision package that CGC pay for.

I don't think there is anything you can do to enhance the current package. The best solution would be for CBCS to migrate to a package similar to Invision, as CGC did around 8 years ago.

I would love to post here more often. The members are nice. But the software is - I'll be frank - awful. I don't think the Invision package is particularly expensive, but if CBCS want to be taken seriously as a community forum provider then they really do need to do something. I can't imagine many younger collectors would want to join here - it's so outdated and clunky.

I stress again - this isn't me bashing CBCS and praising CGC. I'm bashing Ninjapost and praising Invision.

I hope that helps.

http://www.ninjapost.com/

https://invisioncommunity.com/


@Wade_Story

Quoting Marwood's great post to refresh others who would like to continue on this route.

I'm not an IT person so I only know some things I would like to see. I agree with Marwood on several of his inputs. I wholeheartedly agree about simplifying the layout. Having every page number displayed is fine for something that is only a few pages long, but just have a function of "Jump to page __" would be fine as well. The last few posts on the page appearing at the top of the next page is an annoyance as well. Loading multiple pics instead of one at a time would be convenient.


The topic of updating the forum has been presented a few times, and sometimes there are some good insights people bring to the table. I can't speak to the technical side, but I vaguely remember one of the mods or CBCS reps commenting that redoing the forum would essentially cause the existing one to go kaput as it would not transfer over well. I wouldn't have a problem with that as long as the threads could be archived. Some folks put a lot of effort into some of them.

As for separate sections, I think this would help generate some more consistent forum use. Personally, I found CGC's forum could get a little too compartmented, but using the Comics Price Guide forum as an example, there is a good sense of order. The pinned CBCS announcements at the top could go right in the top section, separate buying/selling/trading threads in addition to the comic book talk and general entertainment, toys, games, etc that can have a section. I don't know the software CPG uses for its forum (if someone else does, they can provide it). While I like the sections, there are limitations to software. Not being able to load multiple images at once being a gripe.







I don't know how long it takes to archive a thread, but it needs to stop being the approx. 30-60 day window. Once a thread is archived, then it has to be revived either with a new thread or going through moderation to get it reactivated. A five year old thread about something specific to only that time frame could probably be archived, but there have been times on the CGC forum where I dug through, found an old thread, commented on it, then there was some good discussion that resumed.


One aspect I like are the tags. Maybe there could be more but for now, I don't think there needs to be too many. But it is nice to click on the "For Sale" tag and it will bring up the sales threads using it. Switching to a compartmented style could eliminate the use of some tags.


The overall layout of the forum is unsightly after a while, matched only by Doug's site. It's high time for an upgrade. I've spoken with many collectors who love the product but hate the forum design. Make it look professional and grow your brand.


I hope there are more technical minds that can contribute to this too. I enjoy the CBCS forum (read: members) but it's been due for a change. We want CBCS to do well (as far as I know) so provide the necessary feedback. If enough people speak up, they should listen.
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I have not set up at a con since 2029. PolarisNuclearSS2020 private msg quote post Address this user
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https://www.cgccomics.com/certlookup/4518693002/

I must be blind. I zoomed in on the high resolution scans and see nothing.


One thing you CAN tell is that book, even without the tear, is not a 9.8.

So either CGC caused this, or it's swapped, or it was overgraded by CBCS.

Some of that doesn't look like damage that could be caused just by being moved from one case to another. The top and bottom corner wear looks aged.

















The color breaking spine tic near the base of the spine on the BC cleanly knocks this book out of a 9.8.

Than there’s the west at the bottom outer edge of the BC, and a significant amount of light/moderate wear on the spine, staple rubbing on the BC with ink loss….these defects put the book around a 9.0/9.2.

I think I can see the “back cover crease” in the CGC graders notes but I don’t see actual color break in the area that may be the “back cover crease”.

This is why I still am not comfortable with sending bigger $$$ modern books to CGC now.

I actually have a 9.8 candidate of this very book, but I would only be comfortable submitting it to CGC for on-site grading at a con, where the potential for shenanigans is much lower.

I can’t justify submitting moderns like this to CBCS, because the FMV of 9.8’s between the two companies is so far off.
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Not trying to be an ass since February 12, 2020. HulkSmash private msg quote post Address this user
@PolarisNuclearSS2020 I think you should submit more moderns to CBCS and follow up on FMV sales comparison data after your next con in 2030…
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I'll focus more on one off mucking aboutery. Get_Marwood private msg quote post Address this user
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@Wade_Story

Quoting Marwood's great post to refresh others who would like to continue on this route.

I hope there are more technical minds that can contribute to this too. I enjoy the CBCS forum (read: members) but it's been due for a change. We want CBCS to do well (as far as I know) so provide the necessary feedback. If enough people speak up, they should listen.


Do you think Wade's gone on holiday, SD?
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@Get_Marwood Nope, still here! Will be out starting next week for holidays though.

On the subject, I am not sure of the technical side much myself. But if I am asked for input, I want to be able to give the feedback you have all presented on the subject. If someone from CBCS previously mentioned that creating a new forum would result in the current format going away, that may be true (again not a tech savy person here).
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past performance is no guarantee of future actions. KatKomics private msg quote post Address this user
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@Get_Marwood Nope, still here! Will be out starting next week for holidays though.

On the subject, I am not sure of the technical side much myself. But if I am asked for input, I want to be able to give the feedback you have all presented on the subject. If someone from CBCS previously mentioned that creating a new forum would result in the current format going away, that may be true (again not a tech savy person here).


also not a techie...but you would think a new forum could be started with the old archived and posting abilities turned off so it could still be available for resources

If not there is always the just pull the band aid off! - short term pain for long term gain?
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I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this. GAC private msg quote post Address this user
@Wade_Story Feedback for the brass. If you update the forum...please don't increase prices as a result.
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Beaten by boat oars Studley_Dudley private msg quote post Address this user
Maybe more Draconian moderators as well. Banned Camp members need more company.
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I'll focus more on one off mucking aboutery. Get_Marwood private msg quote post Address this user
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@Get_Marwood Nope, still here! Will be out starting next week for holidays though.

On the subject, I am not sure of the technical side much myself. But if I am asked for input, I want to be able to give the feedback you have all presented on the subject. If someone from CBCS previously mentioned that creating a new forum would result in the current format going away, that may be true (again not a tech savy person here).


Ok, thanks Wade.
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I've spent years perfecting my brand of assholery. DrWatson private msg quote post Address this user
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Maybe more Draconian moderators as well. Banned Camp members need more company.

I could sign up for that. I've spent years perfecting my brand of assholery.
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