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I'm waiting.... (tapping fingers).
Splotches is gettin old!
Nuffsaid111 private msg quote post Address this user
When any company is in trouble, then come the sweeping changes.
Layoffs,
The snow white-ization of the forum.
Things are getting crazy over there.
I mean what crazy thing is next? - improving the quality, accuracy and consistency of their product?

That will be the final straw!

Maybe instead of the shutdown CGC forums to complain about their B.S., folks should use the BBB. Take that @ssholes
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I have not set up at a con since 2029. PolarisNuclearSS2020 private msg quote post Address this user
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Speaking of solid number twos', how about that CGC moderation now? It looks like CGC is deleting all the threads on their boards that contain evidence of Bananagate - the epic 'Where in the world was the Quality Control at CGC???' thread has been nuked.


Not only removing - also banning a lot of senior board members. Now underground


Deleting posts is reactionary enough but banning veteran boardies is really betond the pale.

Who has been banned, if you don’t mind my asking?
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Collector poka private msg quote post Address this user
@PolarisNuclearSS2020 the list is long and getting longer. but sorry rather not post. this is the message they receive. latest was today a board member of 17 years


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I'm waiting.... (tapping fingers).
Splotches is gettin old!
Nuffsaid111 private msg quote post Address this user
I like the "Banned Indefinitely", followed by
"you must acknowledge this warning before you're able to post again"

They pay as much attention to details in their Moderator messages as they do to grading books.
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I'd like to say I still turned out alright, but that would be a lie. flanders private msg quote post Address this user
I hope someone starts a class action lawsuit for the mental anguish CGC has caused from the bans. I won't be joining as the only thing I've ever liked about their forum is the design.
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I live in RI and Rhode Islanders eat chili with beans. esaravo private msg quote post Address this user
I first saw this on the alternative to CGC forum (Discord) today and thought everyone would find this interesting. I copied it directly from the Bookery’s facebook page. I own several books from the Bookery (including my X-Men #1, all thanks to @Studley_Dudley), a large, long-running comic book store in Fairborn, Ohio. If more comic shops did this publicly, maybe CGC would have to listen.

“Bookery Fantasy
Yesterday at 6:44 AM ·
We've never done this before, but we feel it is time to take a stand in regards to one of the major corporate giants of the collectibles arena. Bookery can no longer recommend the grading services of CGC. We will no longer be using them as a service for our own books (the books you see in our shop have all been purchased directly from collectors, not ones we have personally sent in).
It's been a long time coming, but with the growing multitude of scandals plaguing CGC, including an in-house fraud situation, the ability for con-artists to crack open CGC cases and substitute inferior books, and a rising host of quality-control issues, with the latest involving warped inner wells causing damage to customers' comics, CGC has been on shaky ground.
Instead of making improvements, their new response is to fire their long-time boards liaison and replace him with an unprecedented slash and burn approach to all posts criticizing CGC in any way, or even simply asking questions about quality control issues (which often was the only way CGC previously became aware of them). Decade-long threads have simply vanished, often containing useful data and expertise, board members are suspended or banned without even knowing why, and CGC refuses to answer anyone or even offer a face to their moderation. This treatment of long-time loyal members shows a complete disregard for their customers. It goes beyond a message board to suggest this is how they feel about all of their clients. And at a minimum it raises questions about their trustworthiness.
At this point, the accumulation of flaws with the company can no longer be ignored. If you want comics graded, our official recommendation will be CBCS. PSA will also begin grading comics this coming year, so they may end up being a viable option. Again -- we will continue to buy customer books that have been graded by CGC (but we will be scrutinizing them more closely, especially those graded in recent times). As for raw books, we believe our comics as a whole have always been graded more tightly and consistently than the "official" grading companies anyway. And if you point out a mistake we've made... we won't "cancel" you. So there's that!”


Here’s the link to their facebook page:
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Why just the women? I like bears. Gaard private msg quote post Address this user
How is one supposed to know if Bananagate is over if they can't post about it?
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I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this. GAC private msg quote post Address this user
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They don't like me posting CBCS slabs over there.



Did you view the warning details? What did they say?


Here it is: I know it's their forum and they set the rules...but I find this rule so petty. It's their only forum rule I've openly defied. I spend so little time there that it's irrelevant to me but I like to give them a poke every once in a while by showing a CBCS slab.




I permanently banned CGC before they had a chance to do it to me. I requested they delete everything on me they have...Accounts, Profiles, whatever. It was only a matter of time before they banned me anyway, so I figure I'll just beat them to the punch.
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I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this. GAC private msg quote post Address this user
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Originally Posted by esaravo
I first saw this on the alternative to CGC forum (Discord) today and thought everyone would find this interesting. I copied it directly from the Bookery’s facebook page. I own several books from the Bookery (including my X-Men #1, all thanks to @Studley_Dudley), a large, long-running comic book store in Fairborn, Ohio. If more comic shops did this publicly, maybe CGC would have to listen.

“Bookery Fantasy
Yesterday at 6:44 AM ·
We've never done this before, but we feel it is time to take a stand in regards to one of the major corporate giants of the collectibles arena. Bookery can no longer recommend the grading services of CGC. We will no longer be using them as a service for our own books (the books you see in our shop have all been purchased directly from collectors, not ones we have personally sent in).
It's been a long time coming, but with the growing multitude of scandals plaguing CGC, including an in-house fraud situation, the ability for con-artists to crack open CGC cases and substitute inferior books, and a rising host of quality-control issues, with the latest involving warped inner wells causing damage to customers' comics, CGC has been on shaky ground.
Instead of making improvements, their new response is to fire their long-time boards liaison and replace him with an unprecedented slash and burn approach to all posts criticizing CGC in any way, or even simply asking questions about quality control issues (which often was the only way CGC previously became aware of them). Decade-long threads have simply vanished, often containing useful data and expertise, board members are suspended or banned without even knowing why, and CGC refuses to answer anyone or even offer a face to their moderation. This treatment of long-time loyal members shows a complete disregard for their customers. It goes beyond a message board to suggest this is how they feel about all of their clients. And at a minimum it raises questions about their trustworthiness.
At this point, the accumulation of flaws with the company can no longer be ignored. If you want comics graded, our official recommendation will be CBCS. PSA will also begin grading comics this coming year, so they may end up being a viable option. Again -- we will continue to buy customer books that have been graded by CGC (but we will be scrutinizing them more closely, especially those graded in recent times). As for raw books, we believe our comics as a whole have always been graded more tightly and consistently than the "official" grading companies anyway. And if you point out a mistake we've made... we won't "cancel" you. So there's that!”


Here’s the link to their facebook page:
clickable text


Many more big submitters need to be vocal like this but also act on it like this...good for the Bookery!!
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I've spent years perfecting my brand of assholery. DrWatson private msg quote post Address this user
The cgc is like a three year old shitting their pants. Instead of admitting they've made a mistake, they get their hands and fingers all in it until it becomes an even bigger mess. Then they wallow in it and smear it all over the walls. Even after you clean it up, the scent still lingers.
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I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this. GAC private msg quote post Address this user
They keep doubling down on their eff-ups with no apparent foresight that their constant doubling down will bite them in the ass. The cgc appear to be a house cards on the verge of collapse.
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I've spent years perfecting my brand of assholery. DrWatson private msg quote post Address this user
Those forum mbers are some of the cgc's biggest supporters.

Even if the cgc fixes things, which they won't because nothing is wrong, they can't go running back from a permanent ban.
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I'd like to say I still turned out alright, but that would be a lie. flanders private msg quote post Address this user
When they go bankrupt and all their lack of grading credibility becomes public knowledge, what will happen to the value of my cgc slabbed comics? I envision a world where CGC will have to pay me to have my slabs regraded with CBCS, including shipping costs and any loss of FMV if the grade lowers. If the grade goes up, I'd gladly pay for any increase in grading fees.

Another thought came up. Did they delete those posts because they're concerned their insurance rates with skyrocket?
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I'd like to say I still turned out alright, but that would be a lie. flanders private msg quote post Address this user
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Those forum mbers are some of the cgc's biggest supporters.


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Beaten by boat oars Studley_Dudley private msg quote post Address this user
@poka I didn't know you got booted. I assume it wasn't just for the poofed thread about you mentioning you were bouncing from the forum.
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I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this. GAC private msg quote post Address this user
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Originally Posted by DrWatson
Those forum mbers are some of the cgc's biggest supporters.

Even if the cgc fixes things, which they won't because nothing is wrong, they can't go running back from a permanent ban.


Taking the hard stance they did is bizarre and alienating their base is even more so....what the hell are they thinking?
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past performance is no guarantee of future actions. KatKomics private msg quote post Address this user
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Dear Lord, who has that kind of time, lol


well...I guess more time spent moderating than accurately grading??
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I've spent years perfecting my brand of assholery. DrWatson private msg quote post Address this user
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Originally Posted by flanders
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Originally Posted by DrWatson
Those forum mbers are some of the cgc's biggest supporters.


"."

The pool keeps shrinking. There aren't enough left to call them members.
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Beaten by boat oars Studley_Dudley private msg quote post Address this user
I'll have to stop by the Bookery and talk to Tim about it. I've only seen him submit three books in the near-decade I've been going there. TMNT 1 first print, Cerebus 1, and Cry for Dawn 1. Good for him for voicing his opposition to the Sarasota Shit Show. He isn't the only store in my region that has had issues with CGC (no pun intended). I know two others who have talked about either damaging books or granting intentionally shitty grades. Example of the latter being a Hulk 181 getting a 7.0 then resubmitted by the store owner's friend (still unpressed) and comes back 9.6.
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Not trying to be an ass since February 12, 2020. HulkSmash private msg quote post Address this user
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Originally Posted by DrWatson
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Originally Posted by flanders
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Originally Posted by DrWatson
Those forum mbers are some of the cgc's biggest supporters.


"."

The pool keeps shrinking. There aren't enough left to call them members.
last man standing gets forum bragging rights
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Collector poka private msg quote post Address this user
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@poka I didn't know you got booted. I assume it wasn't just for the poofed thread about you mentioning you were bouncing from the forum.


I did not get booted - I just chose not to post there anymore (in the hope that an adult take charge over there at some stage). Those screenprints are not for my account
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I wish I had a title. ComicNinja0215 private msg quote post Address this user
I'm nonlinear a member. I have been clean and sober for a whole month. Applause
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I've spent years perfecting my brand of assholery. DrWatson private msg quote post Address this user
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Originally Posted by HulkSmash
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Originally Posted by DrWatson
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Originally Posted by flanders
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Originally Posted by DrWatson
Those forum mbers are some of the cgc's biggest supporters.


"."

The pool keeps shrinking. There aren't enough left to call them members.
last man standing gets forum bragging rights

To brag about what? Hey, man! I'm at the bottom of the ocean with the Titanic!
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I've spent years perfecting my brand of assholery. DrWatson private msg quote post Address this user
I'm trying not to purchase anything with the "new" style label regardless of serial number. An old label book sent in for reholder will keep the same serial number, but has the potential to end up in a banana well and slab.
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I have not set up at a con since 2029. PolarisNuclearSS2020 private msg quote post Address this user
Very good video on this topic here.

CGC veteran boardies/longtime submitters getting the ban hammer on their forums and virtually every comic YouTuber stating that they are not using CGC until CGC fixes their cases…..


I would add that CGC’s recently amended forum rules have what I believe is some new language added in regarding the possibility of the CGC Forums being discontinued (deleted altogether).

What CGC is doing now is an attempt at brand preservation and one can only take this as an indication that the banana issue with the CGC holder is something that CGC has effectively decided they will not be fixing past what is nothing more than a patch up job.

If this “we give up, put a sock in your complaints” position of CGC continues on to what is arguably the only linear pathway forward, that being the deletion of the CGC forums, I would have to think that would have to effect CGC’s standing in the market, in the not too distant future.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KWh4FYN5mSU
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I've spent years perfecting my brand of assholery. DrWatson private msg quote post Address this user
There's rumors flying that the cgc boards may go poof at the first of the year.
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Collector whetteon private msg quote post Address this user
Is the donut who flies on these forums? Heya DrWatson. I'm starting to switch back to CBCS. CGC is getting pretty hostile to people's conversations. So I thought I'd try this place.
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I've spent years perfecting my brand of assholery. DrWatson private msg quote post Address this user
@whetteon Hello, no, donut isn't on this forum. He is on the one they have started on Discord.

Everyone is pretty much nice on here. Not too many turds floating in the punch bowl.
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past performance is no guarantee of future actions. KatKomics private msg quote post Address this user
welcome @whetteon !!
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You do know that the new guy brings the donuts, right? DWeeB1967 private msg quote post Address this user
@whetteon Welcome to the forum
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