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| You know that if the cgc has a ton of bad product, then they aren't going to just dump it. They will use it up before correcting the error, correct those that complain, and not give a toss about the ones who don't. | ||
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ComicNinja0215 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| @DrWatson i don't remember what YouTube video i watched recently but I remember they said it was still a problem. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by DrWatson This 100% If there is a design improvement involved, there are 3 possible Dispositions of existing material: Use Up, Rework, or Scrap. Any business that institutes a design change and has inventory must deal with dispositions of current material. I highly suspect that CGC is utilizing the "Use-Up" disposition with any design improvements regardless of the customer complaints. If they were to utilize Rework (which may not be possible) or Scrap, that would involve potentially some serious $$$ |
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| This is my first time posting here. I started collecting again about a year ago. When I started collecting slabs, it was obvious that the general consensus was CGC was the leader in graded comics space. I struggle to see how between the swapping of books scandal, this bent inner well issue, and very inconsistent grading. Even now there are still reports of the inner wells bending books. When I am in the market for a new book, I have tried to look for CBCS slabs for sale, but there really is not a lot out there online. It’s a pretty viscous cycle. I can tell from a short period of creating this login and navigating CBCS’s website, they need to upgrade the website to be more user friendly. It took me a while just to find where to look up a certification number for example. However, what I care most about is the quality of the grading and that the case actually preserves the book’s condition. I don’t submit much and more prefer to buy graded books. Are there similar issues with CBCS that has caused them to lose ground to CGC even with the hot garbage state they are in right now? Thanks! | ||
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DWeeB1967 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Welcome to the forum, @Danimal1112. I don't think that CBCS has "lost ground" to CGC. In fact, I think CBCS has gained a small amount of marketshare lately although that's based just what I see and hear rather than hard numbers. CGC started years before CBCS did so they have pretty much always been the largest comic grading company. With that said, I still believe that CBCS has a superior case and more consistent grading. |
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Danimal1112 private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by DWeeB1967 Thanks and I appreciate the info. I never really looked at the history and only am going off of inventory available online at EBay, HA, MCS, etc and my initial research when starting. I have invested a decent amount this past year, and I guess I am just shocked by the size difference and the amount of blind followers/defenders. I hope this current issue opens peoples eyes more and start to see more adopters of other grading companies. Competition is good for every industry. Without it, you get the current scenario where they damage books and continue to this day to flat out deny it and try to convince people that books are supposed to be bent. I am sure this adds to the raw books is best argument, but I prefer graded for more expensive books to make sure they are complete and not restored. |
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DrWatson private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I have a friend who just received an order of vintage books back from the cgc off the back of a codeword special from theee ago. 33% of his submission are in banana wells. So much for the cgc resolving the issue... unless resolving the issue is to put all the eras in banana wells hoping that no one notices. | ||
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electricprune private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by DrWatson Vintage books, Doc? Those have been very rare so far. I have seen a small amount, but not many. |
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| Vintage books. | ||
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KatKomics private msg quote post Address this user | |
| @DrWatson sadly probably putting all eras in bananas is the fastest way to burn through the problem...ie use up bad inventory faster! | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by Danimal1112I feel like the “lower” number of CBCS books for sale vs CGC is purely clientele. There are many of us here who slab for our PC as the majority of our submissions leaving less of our books on the market. There are those of us who slab for resale too. I think there are more CBCS slabs being held on to by hobbyists to enjoy and then cash in when needed or when the time is right. CGC has their hobbyist clientele as well, but they have a massive following of flippers who literally slab everything to make a dollar on hype and all that trash is for sale along with the good books. CBCS is used by flippers and dealers too but they don’t get the gift grades. I really hope PSA does well and is good competition for CBCS and CGC can shut their doors or get it together. |
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Danimal1112 private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by HulkSmash |
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DrWatson private msg quote post Address this user | |
Found a banana slab while reordering and filing books, ugh.  I don't know who's running that shitshow, but they without a doubt put the "L" in stupid, sheesh. |
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Danimal1112 private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by DrWatson Sorry. Hopefully the book isn’t damaged. |
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 How do I know this? Because I've done it myself.
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lawguy1977 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| @DrWatson I hear ya. I thought I caught all the banana slabs and sent them to CBCS for the promotion. However, I sent back two high value books back under mechanical error, hoping the issue would be resolved. Got them back and clearly the issue isn't resolved. Not even close. I immediately sent them to CBCS and hopefully they can be pressed out. Anyway, I'm done playing on that side of the fence. |
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DrWatson private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I know, right? What really sucks is that you can't even send a book in for reholder for fear of getting a banana slab. I sent one error label book and three or four busted slabs in with the CBCS Banana special books just to avoid the defective wells, cases, or a combination of the two. |
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DWeeB1967 private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by DrWatson That's the exact position I'm in right now with one book. I own the highest graded copy of "Captain Battle And The Atomic Sub" #1 but it's been cracked out of its CGC case (not by me). I'd like to submit it to CGC and get it reholdered (hopefully at the same grade) but I can't for fear of the big banana. Very frustrating. |
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Danimal1112 private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by DWeeB1967 Why not submit to CBCS if it’s already cracked out and not eligible for a reholder? I wouldn’t risk it sending to CGC at this point. Even today someone else said on their thread they just got back one warped. PS awesome book! |
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Quote:Originally Posted by KatKomics "Use Up Stock" baby! We'll all keep guessing if it's been fixed by reading and watching vids. And CGC is laughing all the way to the bank by quietly not addressing their faulty inventory. Afterall, everything is "within specifications/tolerances"  |
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ComicNinja0215 private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by Nuffsaid111 That's what they told me lol. Wasn't until I told them that I was grading books elsewhere. The representative was quick to add membership credits to reholder the books but no thanks. |
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DWeeB1967 private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by Danimal1112 Really, I'd prefer to do that but I'd rather there only be one copy in the top grade (7.5 for this particular book). If I submit to CBCS, even if they give it the same grade, there would then be "two" copies in that grade (even though they are the same book). My hope with resubmitting to CGC would be that they'd grade it at the same grade (a longshot in its own right) and slab it without a banana bend. In reality, what I'll probably do is nothing. The book is in mylar with an acid-free backing board so it's well protected. I figure I'll just wait a while and see what happens. |
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Danimal1112 private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by DWeeB1967 Yeah. I get it. I could be wrong but I think you can mail in the old label to CGC to have it removed from the census. I am not sure though. |
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DWeeB1967 private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by Danimal1112 That's the thing, though. There's no guarantee that they would not grade the book lower. So I'm leaning toward just keeping it in mylar and keeping the original label. |
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ComicNinja0215 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I only have about five cgc books on my collection now. I broke sa good majority of them free. They're currently awaiting a new home. | ||
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| Are all the banana books in slabs sandwhiched between two pieces of mylar type material (without the tray) or are some of them also where the books sit down in a tray or well? | ||
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Danimal1112 private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by DrWatson I think they are mostly newer slabs with the inner well that has what I believe you are describing as a “tray” that the book sits down in. The vast majority of the slabs reported as being impacted have been modern age book era and not so much silver age. |
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ComicNinja0215 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I had a few SA books get the banana treatment. More modern books though. I have to hand it to them though, the case is thicker and harder to break but I think they went about it the wrong way. | ||
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VinceVellCustoms private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Bumping an old thread, sadly it's still not fixed. I got my books back with them having me send in a mechanical error and well still Banana effect. Im so done with CGC, I would love CBCS to offer a banana label, even if its a joke and limited time event to send in my power girl books as a goof, Id gladly pay for it to have it displayed. |
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DrWatson private msg quote post Address this user | |
| You can't press out a color break. The color is gone. It's never coming back without color touch, which equals restoration. | ||
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