CGC knowingly damaging books?20972
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Quote:Originally Posted by Rbolton Could you post pics of the boom’s showing the damage and bowing? |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Davethebrave This is mostly happening to Modern Tier books. Not seeing issues with Vintage books, while good, is not surprising. To answer your question about receiving books back recently, I got a 5 book Modern sub back last month. All 5 were bowed. 4 really didn’t show damage. One was a 9.4 and looks like a 7.0. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by electricprune Maybe CGC is creating value for modern collectors that aren’t subbing now… damaging books otherwise plentiful in high grade. Everyone thinks they’re daft but this is their long game. Sacrifice near term but create scarcity… |
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| Yeah the long play. Genius. | ||
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| They win both ways: They get your money from reholders fixing the damages and from the loyal followers who haven't had any banana books. Nobody seems to be too concerned about this except the customers. Which should absolutely worry anyone at the top. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by electricprune When we get back in town I will see if I can get some pics posted |
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 I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this.
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Quote:Originally Posted by DrWatson Yes, I do have a FedEx account # and this still happens....I don't understand what cgc does differently than cbcs...i really wish i knew. The brokerage fees aren't insignificant either.....they're almost the same as the shipping cost...$30+ per box shipped. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by GAC That's nuts! |
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| Dare we say BANANAS!! LOL haha too soon? | ||
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| @ComicNinja0215 all of the above. | ||
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| @GAC for being in business for ten years now, you think they would have figured this out. It can't be that hard for reasonable rates to Canada. | ||
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| Received another 7 books back this morning. No issues whatsoever. One remaining (high value) book to go… |
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| @Davethebrave sounds like you got really lucky. I still don't think this is over yet. | ||
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 would be nice to have a snugger fit.
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Quote:Originally Posted by Davethebrave I also received 2 shipments this past week. Of the 5 books I don't see any sort of bending. For whatever it's worth. |
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| First, you had to roll the dice and hope you got the grades you wanted. Now you have to hope they don't send you any bananas. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by ComicNinja0215 and if you get bananas, you split. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by HotKeyComics Amen! I got several bananas and a French fry. Nope, I'm done. |
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| Final book of my approximately 40 books across a few recent submissions. Came back with zero issues and no warp whatsoever. My tentative conclusion is that for Golden / Silver / Bronze age I am comfortable with purchases and submissions. I will ask for side views to mitigate risk but not going to shy away from purchasing slabs. That said, the slab was shipped with some minor scuffs. Not great but something I don’t care too much about.  |
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| @Davethebrave damn! Nice high grade!! I'm glad everything worked out well for you. I'm however, a little skeptical still. For right now I'll be using cbcs. Thanks for the update. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by ComicNinja0215 Thanks. My order went to CGC mostly based on pricing. They had a vintage deal and the savings were significant. I have no allegiance to one or the other (CGC or CBCS) though prefer the format of the CBCS forum. Will purchase slabs from either and open to submitting to both as well. For me it is all about the books. The idea CGC may be damaging books through encapsulation was appalling. So I documented their assurance to me and also (thankfully) had meticulously photographed my books prior to submission. I was willing to take aggressive (legal) action if there was a systemic issue and if they were deceitful in their assurances (to me). Since I was not negatively impacted there is nothing further for me to do other than (possibly) submit my one impacted book (purchased, not submitted). Because I see no issues in my recent submission, I am now comfortable sending that book in. I may not do so because the bend is very, very minor (unlike other examples I’ve seen) and despite it being a black cover, there is zero apparent damage. So at the moment the case (for me) is closed. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Davethebrave My JSA book is crinkled which I didn't notice the first time I looked. I was looking for a curve that didn't seem to be there other than a slight flare at the bottom. I have some books Id like regraded but there not going to CGC so I'm keeping them raw until I can get them to CBCS. The CS rep told me that was normal standards considering one of my silver age books and that was the end. |
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 How do I know this? Because I've done it myself.
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| Like @Davethebrave, I'm not loyal to either company, I use both for various reasons. Forums are a completely different story -- this message board is the best by far. Anyway, I figured I'd share my recent experiences with the other guys. My pre-1975 books sent in this year have no issues, thankfully. My 5 book JSA submission had no issues. My 3 "Modern" book submission all had bowing/warping at the top. I sent back 2 for the error -- these were high grades and high value, so yeah, not happy, and if they come back warped again, I'm sending them to CBCS. The third book wasn't as prevalent, but after sending in the other 2, I saw an issue I didn't like, so I cracked it myself and it's now at CBCS. I also just received my auction wins from MCS. Unfortunately, I should have checked the bar code number. 2 of them start with "44." The low value one has the same bending/warping at the top, but no damage that I can see, thankfully. I will be sending that to CBCS at some point in the future, and I will likely crack it open to avoid any additional problems. The other book -- Batman 423 -- by some miracle has no warping or bending, but I'm going to keep an eye on it. Got lucky on that one. |
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How do I know this? Because I've done it myself.
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| @Davethebrave One more thing -- that Batman 251 is awesome, it's one of my all time favorite books. Monster grade, congrats! | ||
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| I felt I could use both companies because they have both have positive incentives. I can't risk any more books though so I'm sticking with cbcs. And yeah,the forum is way better than their's. |
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would be nice to have a snugger fit.
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Quote:Originally Posted by Davethebrave Holy cow, nice book Dave. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Sigur_Ros Thanks! |
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Quote:Originally Posted by lawguy1977 Thanks! |
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 If the viagra is working you should be well over a 9.8.
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Quote:Originally Posted by Davethebrave I think this is a pretty solid summary of why the industry won't change. People find the action appalling but they can get a good deal and it didn't affect too many of their books, so they'll stick it out. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by xkonk You misread or misunderstood my post(s) if that is your conclusion. The impact on my submission was zero. Nada. Zilch. My submission was made prior to reading/seeing any issues even existed. I took direct action with CGC and documented their assurance that my books weren’t at risk. In fact I told them if there was a risk of damage from an ongoing issue that I instead request my books returned to me unopened. The key is also in the title of this thread “knowingly”… and it was a question. As for what my results tell me… well, I was pretty clear about that too. A sample of 40 books across price tiers is pretty representative. Also, others I discussed this with also had no recent issues. This applies to the eras of books I collect (generally no moderns). Finally, unlike people submitting books back for pressing or mechanical error reslabbing, my next steps if they damaged my high value books after my exchange (and written assurance) would have been legal. If there is a widespread, systemic issue and CGC was lying to induce submissions, that exposes them to a viable class action lawsuit. Viable because the dollar amounts at stake would be high and communication of no issues could be considered fraud (in the inducement). This is a hypothetical because I experienced no issues or problems myself. So for me, case closed. |
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