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@GAC @electricprune. It looks as if this moron will have to include the 42X books in his cgc buying ban.

I appreciate the information.


Hi Jim.

Hey, Wes. How are you doing? I miss seeing you guys at the Chicago show.


I’m good thanks. I haven’t been to one in a few years except for the small one Terry did during Covid. Do you do an occasional show with Dale anymore?
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Collector SauceDog private msg quote post Address this user
With some Modern books I've seen still coming back from CGC with warping and damage I'm not about to risk my next submission (which turns out is my largest Modern submission in years, as I usually just submit Golden Age stuff to CGC). I was hoping they would address it, but since the messaging on their part has been less than stellar, and combined with the new BANANA discount, I'm going to give CBCS a second chance (stopped using them after my second submission a few years back which had the most horrible customer service experience ever with a company)
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If I could, I would. I swear. DrWatson private msg quote post Address this user
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@GAC @electricprune. It looks as if this moron will have to include the 42X books in his cgc buying ban.

I appreciate the information.


Hi Jim.

Hey, Wes. How are you doing? I miss seeing you guys at the Chicago show.


I’m good thanks. I haven’t been to one in a few years except for the small one Terry did during Covid. Do you do an occasional show with Dale anymore?

No. Anymore, work and a 14 year old cat keep me close to home. I would like to do a few more at some point, if the stars align.
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The problem seems to be fixed, for the most part.

As this feedback and analysis shows:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JDcV3bnfkYU

That said, banana books are certainly being damaged, and I would not recommend subbing anything but copper thru modern books to CGC, until a remedy for thicker books is made by CGC

I’ll be subbing 1990’s books and a couple moderns from 2024 for on-site grading at Baltimore this weekend, and will have before pics/scans of the books and will post pics after slabbing….as long as they are banana free, they’ll be subbed to mycomicshop for consignment on Sunday at Baltimore.

In any event, I’ll post up pre and post pics of my subs on here and on CGC’s thread on banana books.
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If I could, I would. I swear. DrWatson private msg quote post Address this user
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...That said, banana books are certainly being damaged, and I would not recommend subbing anything but copper thru modern books to CGC, until a remedy for thicker books is made by CGC

I’ll be subbing 1990’s books and a couple moderns from 2024 for on-site grading..

It was my understanding that the thinner modern, copper, and some bronze books were the ones most likely to be damaged due to the particular well/case being used.

If I submitted anything to them, it would be golden age books.

You are a brave soul.
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I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this. GAC private msg quote post Address this user
I suggest avoiding that shit show of a company altogether. They don't care about you or your books....you should feel the same about them.
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@GAC doing cgc conversion therapy. So far, I'm on a roll 👍🍺🔥
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I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this. GAC private msg quote post Address this user
@ComicNinja0215 nice! and I saw you got a grade bump on your x-men 266...sweet!!
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I wish I had a title. ComicNinja0215 private msg quote post Address this user
@GAC oh yeah! Let's see how i do with my daredevil 131 😬
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I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this. GAC private msg quote post Address this user
@ComicNinja0215 Good luck! Report back when you know.
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I wish I had a title. ComicNinja0215 private msg quote post Address this user
@GAC it's out of pressing, so probably another month.
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The problem seems to be fixed, for the most part.

As this feedback and analysis shows:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JDcV3bnfkYU

That said, banana books are certainly being damaged, and I would not recommend subbing anything but copper thru modern books to CGC, until a remedy for thicker books is made by CGC

I’ll be subbing 1990’s books and a couple moderns from 2024 for on-site grading at Baltimore this weekend, and will have before pics/scans of the books and will post pics after slabbing….as long as they are banana free, they’ll be subbed to mycomicshop for consignment on Sunday at Baltimore.

In any event, I’ll post up pre and post pics of my subs on here and on CGC’s thread on banana books.



IMHO may be a shill for CGC even if unknowing. They have always known what issue is but almost certainly to save money they did nothing. They may have done this order flat for that youtuber - and likley others very recently to take the heat off.
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Collector 1979_03 private msg quote post Address this user
On Moderns> From what I've gathered for 2 months the issue became highly prevalent beginning with 435, although it has existed less frequently since at least 418!
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I am doing an experiment


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Well, it now appears that some CGC magazine slabs have come back with warped inner wells.
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Well, it now appears that some CGC magazine slabs have come back with warped inner wells.



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Collector NoahSult private msg quote post Address this user
Just got an order of last ronin books back, all were good for me.
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Collector PolarisNuclearSS2020 private msg quote post Address this user
Subby #1Conserved 6.0 graded in July sold for $14,500 on ebay this month.

The back cover shows clear spine stres lines which are not present in the scans taken by CGC in July.


https://www.ebay.com/itm/156418234831?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=vc3zm8zoq8w&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=y3mxcnrcspe&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY
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Subby #1Conserved 6.0 graded in July sold for $14,500 on ebay this month.

The back cover shows clear spine stres lines which are not present in the scans taken by CGC in July.


https://www.ebay.com/itm/156418234831?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=vc3zm8zoq8w&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=y3mxcnrcspe&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY


Looks legit. eBay photos accentuate the back cover damage.






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Not trying to be an ass since February 12, 2020. HulkSmash private msg quote post Address this user
CGC scan photo edited real quick to highlight back cover damage




eBay photo

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Collector SidTheSquid private msg quote post Address this user
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Just got an order of last ronin books back, all were good for me.


Last Ronins are thick enough, they should be immune. They're keeping the inner well flat, not the other way around.
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I wish I had a title. ComicNinja0215 private msg quote post Address this user
I'm still not willing to roll the dice on any submissions to the CGC.
CBCS will see a lot of books from me.

Maybe, one day this will be in the past but I don't see that happening soon enough.
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If I could, I would. I swear. DrWatson private msg quote post Address this user
You know that if the cgc has a ton of bad product, then they aren't going to just dump it. They will use it up before correcting the error, correct those that complain, and not give a toss about the ones who don't.
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I wish I had a title. ComicNinja0215 private msg quote post Address this user
@DrWatson i don't remember what YouTube video i watched recently but I remember they said it was still a problem.
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I'm waiting.... (tapping fingers).
Splotches is gettin old!
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You know that if the cgc has a ton of bad product, then they aren't going to just dump it. They will use it up before correcting the error, correct those that complain, and not give a toss about the ones who don't.


This 100%
If there is a design improvement involved, there are 3 possible Dispositions of existing material: Use Up, Rework, or Scrap. Any business that institutes a design change and has inventory must deal with dispositions of current material.

I highly suspect that CGC is utilizing the "Use-Up" disposition with any design improvements regardless of the customer complaints. If they were to utilize Rework (which may not be possible) or Scrap, that would involve potentially some serious $$$
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