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Across The Street, They're Giving Out 9.9's & 10's Like Candy At Halloween20950

It's like the Roach Motel for comic collectors. chester15 private msg quote post Address this user
Get your ultra high grades here.
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Collector Jgwalters100 private msg quote post Address this user
I got 10 xmen 2099 1 that are clogging my box.
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Collector Rafel private msg quote post Address this user
Nice.
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Collector Emp162 private msg quote post Address this user
I have approximately 130 of the same book, maybe I should send in 20, is there a possibility I could get an 11. Hmmm...
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I'm waiting.... (tapping fingers).
Splotches is gettin old!
Nuffsaid111 private msg quote post Address this user
I'm not sure what's more of a SMH; the scam grades or the person that opens the wallet for them.
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You think I'm joking, I'm not. earthshaker01 private msg quote post Address this user
On that particular comic, Spiderman #1 there is a person on Whatnot app that has tons of distribution packs containg 4 or 5 spidey #1s, each. They have been untouched and still wrapped in their cellophane plastic since they were made. Long boxes filled with distribution packs. Expect to see tons more 9.9s and 10s. This is on of the reasons I try to stay away from any books 1980 or newer. Abundancey.
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The grades don’t surprise me. There should be many mint examples floating around. What’s foolish imnsho is paying big $$ for such common books, regardless of grade. These were books stored away as anticipated collectibles right from the start… parting with a stack of hundreds to get a copy… bizarre.
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You think I'm joking, I'm not. earthshaker01 private msg quote post Address this user
@Davethebrave I know of rich beyond rich "collectors" in Los Angeles that have squirreled away 100s of thousands of mint comics from 1970s/80s on up. Really they are just investors, with little interest in comics themselves. They just wait until something gets popular and see if they have that issue to slowly release unto the market. They hope that a title or issue gets a cartoon, TV show, movie etc... Hell, I've seen an entire long box of Hulk 181s.
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@Davethebrave I know of rich beyond rich "collectors" in Los Angeles that have squirreled away 100s of thousands of mint comics from 1970s/80s on up. Really they are just investors, with little interest in comics themselves. They just wait until something gets popular and see if they have that issue to slowly release unto the market. They hope that a title or issue gets a cartoon, TV show, movie etc... Hell, I've seen an entire long box of Hulk 181s.


Absolutely - once the market became collectible (but especially when volumes produced were high at the same time) we know people were accumulating.

Golden Age books were often printed in massive volumes. Of course they were not generally viewed as collectible in their own time. Plus some unique factors (paper salvage etc) and target market characteristics = true scarcity today. You know all this, of course, but worth mentioning… because the sweet spot for amassing high grade copies was high volume + recognized collectibility = 70s+ books.

It is likely a poor “investment” to buy these high grade, high volume 70s+ books. High values will pull more copies up to price points where grading makes sense, saturating the market and tanking values. It may be an okay (but risky) trade but these movie/media pops are often temporary too… speculator market.

But there is room for all types…
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Nuffsaid111 private msg quote post Address this user
I maintain its a scam if pre-2024 these Spidermans would have been 9.8 and now in 2024 they are 9.9/10.

Folks want to excuse their litany of b.s. as "yea but it's all subjective" and other canned statements, knock yourself out. But this is something different and on another level
In the end, I don't give a flying F. It's all being sold off to the most gullible anyway
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If I could, I would. I swear. DrWatson private msg quote post Address this user
At this point, they might as well go back to grading invisible comic books. All you're paying for and getting now is a paper label with an arbitrary number on it in a plastic case. The book is secondary to nonexistent.

Anyone who buys a book graded by the cgc with the new labels is a fool unless they have the book in hand. The number grade is no longer a "guarantee" as to what you would receive.

The cgc is only watering down their brand. One, two, or even three of something is unique. Fifty or sixty is common. Hundreds or thousands is dead common. It won't be long before 9.9s, and some 10.0s, from the cgc will be used for TV trays.

If you are one of those people who paid tens of thousands of dollar for a modern 9.9 or 10.0, I'd be dropping that thing like it's hot... while you still can.
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will be used for TV trays.


This is the only place I disagree. Not TV Trays; but boat anchors
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"There, their, they're." GAC private msg quote post Address this user
CGC is gaming the system they created and lead. The only people that care about the ramifications of this are real collectors. The ones who don't care or don't know why this is a problem are flippers and speculators. The overwhelming # of flippers and speculators are CGC clients.....CGC are just serving their own clients....and killing their business in the process.
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Masculinity takes a holiday. EbayMafia private msg quote post Address this user
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will be used for TV trays.


This is the only place I disagree. Not TV Trays; but boat anchors


The natural laws of supply and demand don't always work out the way that logic would cause us to think that they should. At least not in the short term. Probably because there are vested interests working to oppose those laws (i.e. hoarding, auction manipulation, etc.). If CGC is equally generous with 9.9's to all submitters, we will probably see quicker price erosion. If they limit this generosity primarily to big players, that price erosion may take longer than expected.
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Collector Jgwalters100 private msg quote post Address this user
Get rid of these grades. Dumb anyway 9.8 looks perfect.
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Not trying to be an ass since February 12, 2020. HulkSmash private msg quote post Address this user
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Get rid of these grades. Dumb anyway 9.8 looks perfect.
near perfect/perfect 😉
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"There, their, they're." GAC private msg quote post Address this user
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Get rid of these grades. Dumb anyway 9.8 looks perfect.


They really never should have had the .2 intervals above 9.0s.....I wonder why CGC didn't continue with the .5 interval.....9.0 then 9.5 then 10.0.

The 9.5 could have been the 9.4 to 9.6 equivalent and any book that was better than the 9.5(9.8 to 10.0) would get the 10....but splitting hairs between 9.8/9.9/10 is crazy and obviously caused doubt in the community.


9.0 = 9.0 + 9.2
9.5 = 9.4 + 9.6
9.8 or 10. = 9.8 + 9.9 + 10.0
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Collector Jgwalters100 private msg quote post Address this user
Anything that makes a person question the authenticity of a grade from a grading company makes it pointless. No perfect system but fake scarcity is dumb too. We all know these 90s books have 1000s of perfect copies out there. Why have the 10. I think it's my least favorite part about collecting now. Looking at a 9.8 knowing it's mint and still there is better.
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Apparently, I am easily annoyed. Rbolton private msg quote post Address this user
At this point, IMHO, CGC has lost all credibility in the area of assigning accurate grades(has for a long time) and traded in what little integrity that may have been left for this 9.9/10.0 money grab scheme. Any real collector will not pay for a grade that they can clearly see is not correct, as for the morons that are buying these over graded books, people piss away money every day on stupid shit.
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I’m not an ant. I’m a rootin tootin Hornet! Zombie_Head private msg quote post Address this user
Did anyone see the Giant size X-Men 9.9 versus a 9.6 video. 9.9 for everyone. Everyone should send in CBCS 9.8 books to CGC to get 9.9 or 10.
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If I could, I would. I swear. DrWatson private msg quote post Address this user
I don't need a video. I can look at my own copy and know it's better than the socalled 9.9.






I apologize to those who are tired of seeing me post this book.
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Nuffsaid111 private msg quote post Address this user
The problem is (or maybe the good thing) is "we" the ones on this forum know.
We pay attention
We read.
We stay up-to-date on activities in the hobby of our choice.
We are also a tiny percentage. And I mean tiny.

Just stand on line at a convention and talk to some rando. I have for 40 years.
Odds are 4 of 5 are either loony toons and/or completely lost and not all that bright.
Kinda mimics life outside the hobby

So everything we know to be true, unfortunately (or fortunately depending on your perspective) doesn't matter as long as the rest remain with their heads in the clouds or are just flat out dumb.

Combine that with the $$$ that folks see in front of "CGC" and you have the perfect juggernaut freight train no matter what they seem to do
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Suck it up, buttercup!! KatKomics private msg quote post Address this user
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Just stand on line at a convention and talk to some rando. I have for 40 years.
Odds are 4 of 5 are either loony toons and/or completely lost and not all that bright.


lol....have done and been happily surprised but also terrified that I engaged with said persons as I would be stuck in line with them for hours and hours which then felt like even more of an eternity....one time one even found me on day two...I was not afraid/threatened as it was just some 5 foot round woman (and me being a 6ft less round man)...but looking back...I wonder if there was the potential for a Baby Reindeer type event......
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Nuffsaid111 private msg quote post Address this user
@KatKomics I was just at a large Jersey show 2 weeks ago and stood on the Walt Simonson line for a few hours.
I can't even go into the total conversation the guy behind me and I had. It was like talking to my grandmother about comics
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Collector Jgwalters100 private msg quote post Address this user
Man that's my favorite part. So many strange conversations. Some good ones too.
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Nuffsaid111 private msg quote post Address this user
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Man that's my favorite part. So many strange conversations. Some good ones too.


Strange is ok. A statement that they want a Walt Simonson "The Thing" sketch on a sketch cover; but worried it wouldn't come out right because not sure walt ever drew the Thing is ... ummm.... yea. Nevermind. Be nice
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Please continue to ignore anything I post. southerncross private msg quote post Address this user
Pre 1975 books in at least 9.8 grade are extremely hard to find.

I've looked at multiple copies of the same book, unread and uncirculated and stored in one place for decades and finding a lone 9.8 is almost impossible out of a stack of 30-60 copies. To find a supposedly 9.9 is humanly impossible.

All have slight flaws such as not all corners are sharp, Some with a slight bump or corner break putting the book to a 9.2-9.4.
Manufacturing defects like a mis wrapped cover or the printing finishes just short of the cover.
Staples not shiny and a little opaque.
Copy after copy I see flaw after flaw.

Don't get me wrong, they are pretty books and if they're like this.
What's the odds these books were sent to a newsagent instead of bought off the distributor and accumulating more damage from shipping and then finally handled in the spinner racks.






So out of 40 books I found this.







Now I didn't press it.

Maybe others may have got that with a clean press and starch but in the end it's what a grader sees with flaws.

That Giant size X-Men 9.9 has a miss wrapped cover which is a manufacturing defect.
The highest grade a manufacturing defect copy can ever get is a 9.8.
I'm sure there are runs of issues off the printers that may all have a manufacturing defect so no copies ever can grade higher then 9.9.

The sad thing is comic books in 9.2 are in very high grade when you think about it.
A non comic book collector if shown a raw 9.2 would ithink the book has either been just printed or it's been very well cared for and is perfect.

Combination of bragging rights of having the highest grade and having a comic book registry set to compete against other collectors has caused insane prices in the highest grades and the lone highest grades.
When money is involved the sellers will be happy with prices realized and grading companies will be happy for the extra work and the higher the value the more they charge for grading.

If the hobby begins to think maybe 9.9s can be attainable at cgc then how many 9.8s will make it back to them to be graded and gambled for 9.9s
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Not trying to be an ass since February 12, 2020. HulkSmash private msg quote post Address this user
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Get rid of these grades. Dumb anyway 9.8 looks perfect.


They really never should have had the .2 intervals above 9.0s.....I wonder why CGC didn't continue with the .5 interval.....9.0 then 9.5 then 10.0.

The 9.5 could have been the 9.4 to 9.6 equivalent and any book that was better than the 9.5(9.8 to 10.0) would get the 10....but splitting hairs between 9.8/9.9/10 is crazy and obviously caused doubt in the community.


9.0 = 9.0 + 9.2
9.5 = 9.4 + 9.6
9.8 or 10. = 9.8 + 9.9 + 10.0


I’m one of the least experienced here and I don’t get it. I do have a CBCS 9.9 (which is awesome), but I literally cannot tell the difference between the same book I had in a 9.8. Honestly I think it’s either mint condition or not. If we are going to have grades higher than 9.8 then it should be reserved for the cream of the crop and truly rare. IDK I give up.
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Collector BrianGreensnips private msg quote post Address this user
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I don't need a video. I can look at my own copy and know it's better than the socalled 9.9.







I apologize to those who are tired of seeing me post this book.

That's a great book!
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If I could, I would. I swear. DrWatson private msg quote post Address this user
I wonder who bought the 9.9? I wouldn't be surprised if Metropolis didn't buy it themselves.
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