Value of CBCS vs CGC comics20933
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| I haven't seen this very often COMPARING CBCS and CGC VALUiES FROM GOCOLLECT.COM THE TOXIC AVENGER #1  THE TOXIC AVENGER #1  |
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| I am so tired of people comparing sale prices on CBCS vs CGC. There are so many factors that go into the price a book sells for at an auction. What is the book? How hot is the book at the time of the auction? Were multiple people fighting over the book? How does the book present itself? What is the trend in pricing? Is the market going through a boom or bust? Prices on a graded book can vary from day to day. The simple fact is, a book sells for the price the buyer is willing to pay for it. No more, no less. This idea that CGC books sell for more than CBCS is what drives the price difference. If sellers would offer CBCS books for the same price as a CGC there would be parity in the market. As long as people say and sell CBCS books for less, they will always sell for less. I personally would pay more for a CBCS case. They are stronger, thinner, better labels, and have a crystal clear look. In the mean time I will take advantage of the sellers who mark there CBCS books lower. If they're dumb enough to offer them for less, I will gladly pay less. |
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| @Belarak 100% accurate on all points. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by Belarak I totally agree that many things can influence a buyer's decision-making process. Like it or not, the grading company's name on the label Influences many buyers. Hands up for those of you that aren't negatively Influenced by seeing PGX on the label of a slab you're interested in. Unfortunately I didn't notice my screen capture didn't include the name of the comic. My bad. The prices are for The Toxic Avenger #1. I thought this was a positive bit of information for CBCS and its fans. Probably not indicative of a trend (or could be if included in a wider range of titles), but still interesting. My experience with Go Collect has been that if you could even find stats for CBCS, they generally indicated CGC books had higher values than the CBCS counterparts. I thought, "Hey, this is a bit of positive information that I should share with the forum members." I didn't expect to have people jump down my throat. To me it kinda shows insecurities of fans of CBCS. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by GAC Quote: Originally Posted by Caffeine_Kid I’d agree certain factors play a huge part though It would seem @Belarak skimmed the OP. The rant leans towards CGC values being higher etc,etc,etc. Your observation is of the opposite. Typically CGC vs CBCS would show CGC as higher taking into account the varying factors. I firmly believe CBCS is a majority of long term collectors who sell slabs less frequently or opt for trades(which values of would not be recorded in a data base such as GoCollect). I know for a fact that CGC is utilized by flippers and sellers. The values of the books are what they are. The label type is skewed by frequency of sales. My observation is CGC books are more likely to be graded for sale. CBCS books are likely to be graded to keep for long term investment. |
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| I don’t know what I’m looking at. The last cbcs sale in 9.8 was in 2021…so not really representative what it would sell for today. | ||
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 would be nice to have a snugger fit.
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Quote:Originally Posted by Belarak If you're submitting books you want to sell why wouldn't you compare companies? Anyway...you do you. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by HulkSmash Please clarify: what is OP? (I am a little dull-headed sometimes (or all the time)) CGC is utilized by flippers and sellers: Can't dispute that. Also, CGC is utilized by non-flippers and non-sellers. Where does this take us? (Enquiring minds would like to know - especially dull-headed ones.) Ranting or not, it appears you're saying that there are opposing views, but both your points (as stated) are the same. I can't agree that the values of books are what they are. The value of the exact same book may be worth more to you than it is for me, and may be even more valuable to the person selling it. Otherwise we wouldn't have people haggling over price, or people bidding different amounts at auction. Value is what someone is willing to pay. Values are not static. I can't buy your last statement about CGC books having a greater return on investment in the short term and CBCS are for longer term investment. Why would I buy CBCS books. They aren't worth more presently what would make me think they won't continue to be worth less in the longer term? Maybe that's just me not getting it. Fun topic and didn’t go anywhere I anticipated. My brain hurts. Signing off for the night. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by DrWatson Hulk 180 is the true first appearance of Wolverine! |
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| @Caffeine_Kid OP (is original post). I did not say CGC has greater return in the short term. I was stating observed differences in clientele. More CGC quantity in circulation provided by flippers and sellers at any given moment will skew the recorded data. Your provided comparison has a time gap where the CBCS copy sold for more than the most recent CGC copy. More recent sales lower the FMV while in 2021 the CBCS copy sold for a good amount and no recorded sales after for the provided source. This was also when prices were ridiculous for everything. Someone was smart and offloaded at the right time. I’m saying CBCS books seem to be held onto for longer as collectibles by hobbyists and CGC books are turning like the Taco Bell drive through. CGC may show more consistency in FMV while CBCS will show more anomalies (higher or lower). It seems People who use CBCS (in majority) tend to grade what is worth grading to them annd not anything and everything that comes through the door to go straight to sales. I will not pretend to understand the market because I never will. All I can do is sell when it is right for me. I dont sell often; I collect for enjoyment and for long term. I grade what I feel is worth grading and belongs in my collection. I do dabble with spec books, but most are within my collection interests and are in no rush to sell. |
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| The CGC had a 15+ year headstart where they had virtually 100% of the market. I think it's fair to say that CGC has more slabbed books than CBCS for every single title produced....probably by a landslide. This means for every 100 slabbed books being sold, 80+ slabs (guessing) will be CGC....the opportunities to make records sales are heavily in favour of CGC simply based on quantity of available slabs. | ||
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| I was too busy with my supermodel to reply earlier… What are we talking about here? |
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| A very brand new topic - the values of CBCS vs. CGC comics | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by GAC Exactly |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Nuffsaid111 Old for some, no doubt. But not everyone has participated in this forum for 6 or 7 years. I thought it was a positive bit of information. Feel free to not read what you aren't interested in. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Caffeine_Kid No disrespect intended for those that are seeing this topic for the 1st (or a bit more) time. Just been following this type of topic, as you mention, for many years; dozens of times, and it often ends up going off course with the "but I like these labels" and "this one's accuracy of one over the other", etc.... Then come the unique examples of each eff-up for each company. Then come the spats and arguments with forum members. And it always seems to end that way. It just would be nice with a topic such as this to demonstrate statistically significant data for a change; vs the typical emotion, conjecture, one-off examples, and opinions as it usually becomes; ultimately ending up in pissy back & forths. I'd actually love to see statistically significant data and metrics generated on this topic. Because in the end all that matters to me.. and I mean all that matters.... is which company will fetch more for me. I don't care about labels, accuracy or anything else except $$$ returns |
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| @Caffeine_Kid I apologize if it seems I directed my comments to you. I always like to see examples of where a CBCS book sells for more than CGC. The issue I have is the people like Automatic Comics who skew Heritage numbers against CBCS and say he's being fair. When I pointed out that a CGC book sold for a lot less than the previous auctions, he played it off like the previous CGC sale was an outlier. It shouldn't have sold for that much but the lower prices for the CBCS books isn't an outlier. My comment: "To make your point of the lower prices on CBCS books, wouldn't it have been fair to show how CGC books in the same auction performed. As an example did you value the FF #48 at $63,000? That's a pretty low price based on its last sale of $96,000 three months ago" His response: "And that when that FF48 sold in January I commented that it was a very very high price and that I thought the book should be much lower. So no, that sale didn’t surprise me, I think it’s actually still too high by a lot." So he skews his numbers against CBCS, complains about all the BS than comes from CGC but continues to say "This Is Why I Don't Use CBCS to Grade Comics!" My point is and always will be, CBCS books will never have parity with CGC as long as people like him continue to say this bull. Again I'm sorry if you found my comments insulting. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by GAC This is true! You can't have a cameo appearance by a character who has never appeared before. Hulk 180 is the first appearance of Wolverine. However, collectors place more value on Hulk 181 because Wolverine is all dynamic on the front cover. |
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| @GAC No BS detected lol | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by southerncross This is not the correct way to handle comics. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by GAC I also wouldn't be mad if I found her on my books lol |
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Quote:Originally Posted by ComicNinja0215 Dare I say I would not be mad whatsoever?  |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Nuffsaid111 Depends on the books..lol! |
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