Question regarding switching entire collection from CGC to CBCS20778
 I don't have any CBCS slabs myself, but...
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| @flanders Must be something on the actual mold that is causing the scratch. Should be easy for them to track down the cause. | ||
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| If you don't mind getting lower grades on those 9.8's then by all means go ahead. | ||
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 I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this.
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| Those scratches are extremely, extremely faint....many slabs I have, I can't even notice they're there. | ||
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I don't have any CBCS slabs myself, but...
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Rydog private msg quote post Address this user | |
| But are they the exact same scratch on all cases or is it just randomized scratches in that general area on all cases? | ||
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James42 private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by Rydog They are better. The difference in visual clarity alone is astounding when viewed side-by-side. But unless I was dealing with a really high-end book for my PC or a book with obvious room for improvement via pressing, I wouldn't want to risk the damage from travel, cracking, and handling. A common saying is, "Buy the book, not the slab." A corollary might be, "Collect the book, not the slab." I buy books I like, irrespective of which of the big two companies have graded them. I don't spend time looking at the slabs. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by OGJackster I agree. If there's no reason to reholder or regrade a given book, then I wouldn't spend the money. Use it to add a new book to your collection instead. |
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I don't have any CBCS slabs myself, but...
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| Hate to ask this question so specifically, but are these constant scratches on the CBCS cases, are they the exact same scratch each time? Meaning in the same spot, in the same length? If so, that would be the most annoying because that would mean there is something wrong with the tooling. But if the scratches are just generally in the same area but vary in size or number or length, that would mean there is a handling issue with the slabbing and that would be much easier to deal with. Thanks in advance. | ||
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I don't have any CBCS slabs myself, but...
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Rydog private msg quote post Address this user | |
| @DrWatson I just bought an old CGC graded book, and it's very scratched up. So I was deciding who I should send the book into and that's what led me into not wanting to have mixed up cases in my collection, but was needing more info on the CBCS product. I'm still undecided as each of them have their pluses and minuses. | ||
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 I'd like to say I still turned out alright, but that would be a lie.
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Quote:Originally Posted by Rydog Yes. You can zoom in on several CBCS books here. The scratch is at times on the front and back of the slab in the same place. I think your best bet is to see one in person and then decide. The newer slabs don't have the clips on the top and bottom. https://www.mycomicshop.com/newlistings?q=&minyr=&maxyr=&pub=&itemtype=&minprc=&gradedby=CBCS&mingr=&maxgr=&format=bin&owner=&wanted=&rowsettings= https://www.mycomicshop.com/search?ItemID=54571651 Front:  Back:  I wouldn't be harping on and on about this, but it's been 4 years... |
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I don't have any CBCS slabs myself, but...
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| @flanders Ok, I just checked several darker colored slabs and 1) This is not what I would call a faint scratch. It's very long and noticeable even on the computer. 2) It seems to be the exact same scratch, but what I don't get is it appears to move to the left on some and to the right on other slabs, but the overall scratch is the same. So, I really have no idea if this is a tooling issue with the molds, or if the machine that actually puts the cases together is causing the scratch after the case parts are made. Either way, I find it hard to believe this hasn't been resolved after 4 years, which only leads me to believe it's some sort of copyright protection mark? Could that even be possible? Because I just can't see any other logical explanation for not fixing this, other than they have a warehouse full of "marred" cases that they are trying to get through. I was 95% ready to go all in with CBCS until this issue was pointed out. Sigh. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by Rydog No... it has to be a flaw in the molding equipment- which can't be fixed or would be extremely expensive to fix. It doesn't bother me on any of my CBCS slabs. I don't even notice it, I wouldn't let it influence your decision. |
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I don't have any CBCS slabs myself, but...
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Rydog private msg quote post Address this user | |
| @SidTheSquid While it shouldn't be the sole deciding factor, I agree to that, but I do wonder if anyone at CBCS has ever responded to the issue either formally or informally like on these boards? Most all of manufacturing these days, and has been for many years, is operated at such precise measurements and six-sigma quality controls, etc, I just can't wrap my mind around this issue. Imagine if this were car windshields all made by a certain make of car, that would be absurd. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by SidTheSquid This....Its a constant money grab and a waste of money IMHO |
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Quote:Originally Posted by SidTheSquid bahhhh..too long ago...pretty sure someone 'official' said they knew about it and was no fix - maybe an injection issue like..it's 100% not a mold or machining issue because some 12,000 grit or more would be the fix right? Personally I don't care about CGC or CBCS and trying to have 1 total collection of 1 or the other or one style of label etc....other than removing books from PGX slabs into raw or re-slabbed by "reputable" grading services. |
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 Not trying to be an ass since February 12, 2020.
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Quote:Originally Posted by RydogI don’t remember the specifics but when the new case rolled out there were similar issues beyond CBCSs control. At the time they were working with the supplier to have it corrected. I have one in a new case that some fine scratches and not that big of a deal. I paid for the grade, sig, and protection. It’s annoying, but CBCS can only do so much when the issue is in manufacturing and not on site. If they rejected every case with a minor issue; neither party would be able to keep up with demand. The business side of our hobby hopes you’re ok a minor scratch on the case that in itself is far superior to Newton rings, puddling, creep engine, etc from CGC. Who’s to say they reholder a book for minor scratch and the new is not worse. I feel like the issue and others is a far less percentage than CGC quality issues given the lack of every CGC issue in CBCS cases. People also complain about CGC Newtons on a regular bases, but has been and still is a prevalent issue their quantum physics department can’t figure out or don’t want to. |
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KatKomics private msg quote post Address this user | |
| @HulkSmash lol...I think you'll find CGCs official stance on newton rings is - they don't exist, they aren't the problem, you're the problem....send us your books!!! | ||
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| If you're going to waste money, waste it on something besides a pile of cgc bones. | ||
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 I'm waiting.... (tapping fingers).Splotches is gettin old! |
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I don't have any CBCS slabs myself, but...
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Rydog private msg quote post Address this user | |
| @Nuffsaid111 It's ironic that you post this, because it actually is an OCD like reason that I'm going to refrain from upgrading to CBCS at this time due to the silly manufacturing problem. While I at least had good (non-OCD) reasons for wanting better cases (stronger holders, more security, better labels), it is the OCD from zombie scratches that is keeping me from doing so. | ||
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I don't have any CBCS slabs myself, but...
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Rydog private msg quote post Address this user | |
| @DrWatson Yeah, I think I've decided against doing that for now. The first head scratcher (no pun intended) was when I saw that stickied post on this forum that said those large scratches on the side of the cases were normal (even though they have since been fixed) and that mentality just puzzled me and now the zombie scratch issue is the other issue to make me at least learn to appreciate my collection as is for now. | ||
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| The side issue isn't a scratch, but where they come out of the mold. Cases from the cgc have them, too. It's a manufacturing defect ornscat, whatever you want to call it. I understand that people don't want scratches, however faint, on their cases. That said, they will inevitably get a few. I had to accept the notion that I'm not collecting plastic boxes, but the book inside. I don't want scratches on my new car, but life happens. |
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 Have I told you about the time I dropped off 3,000 comics at SDCC?
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| @Rydog - I hear and feel for your consideration. I made the choice several years ago to encase my entire collection. I had several reasons to do so. Not the least of which was protection as I had a couple of unfortunate incidents occur. I chose to use CBCS. I too like uniformity. Even though CBCS has modified its labels, it is not too big of a deal for me as most of my collections are complete and thus uniform. The cases are much better, the grading is much mor consistent and accurate, and with Beckett having acquired them, they should have the staying power to remain a going concern well into the future. I have thousands of CBCS encased comics, and being an ocd kind of guy, this line at the bottom is not an issue. The oil slick newton rings and wildly inconsistent grading at cgc are far more distracting and a consternation for me. Just to reiterate what someone else said, the sides of the CBCS encasements are now clean and free of scratches. Cheers, and if you do send your comics in to CBCS, please share the photos as yiu get them back. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Rydog Great example. Especially because I have a real example of how that actually plays out. I have a car that uses a commercial glass windshield (made in much lower numbers than big car manufacturer windshields. I got a crack in my windshield and only had one source for the replacement windshield (Infinite Innovations is the company). I was thankful that ANYONE had a replacement for this 30 year old car. Took about 6 months to actually get the replacement and someone to agree to install it. When I looked through the glass the lower 1/8 of it had waves in it, making the road look distorted. I decided to just live with it and eventually got used to it. Someone else who collects the same kind of cars (Ok, it's a hearse! There I said it! ) had the same issue, they also got the same replacement windshield, also with the distortion. They sent it back for a replacement. Again, distortion. The company already produced (probably at great cost) a supply of windshields. They likely ALL have this defect. They're not going to trash the supply they have to try again. Especially when most people, like me, are just going to "get what they get, and not get upset". |
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I don't have any CBCS slabs myself, but...
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Rydog private msg quote post Address this user | |
| @DrWatson Are you saying that not ALL CBCS cases have this scratch at the bottom? Everything I'm hearing and seeing is that the scratch is a persistent/tooling defect and will be there no matter what. If it was more of a lottery scenario where I "might" get this zombie scratch or I might not, then that may be another story and a different type of risk worth taking. But the scenario that has thus far has been presented is that for 4 years, each and every CBCS case has this exact same 2" diagonal zombie scratch on all of the cases and that would not be something I would like to buy into. Not strictly for the sake of the OCD part, but the corporate mentality that would be existing and I would be spending large sums of money on a company and/or a manufacturer that would not be willing to polish up their procedures even after 4 years have passed by. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by DrWatsonYes! More comic books maybe. Possibly even raws! |
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I don't have any CBCS slabs myself, but...
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Rydog private msg quote post Address this user | |
| What's the status of this defect scratch? Still there on new cases? | ||
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KatKomics private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by Rydog yup...annoyingly so |
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I don't have any CBCS slabs myself, but...
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Rydog private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Darn. I thought I saw somewhere that they were working with the manufacturer to reduce the scratch. But why not just eliminate it? | ||
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 I have not set up at a con since 2029.
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PolarisNuclearSS2020 private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by Rydog This would be an astounding waste of financial resources. |
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I don't have any CBCS slabs myself, but...
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Rydog private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Have there been any updates to this scratch issue? I've been diligently searching scans on Ebay for these scratches. On some new label cases, the scratch is huge like 4 inches across the bottom of the case and looks absolutely trashed, and on others, I can't find the scratch at all, like on this image here: https://www.ebay.com/itm/316071285479 I've literally been withholding business from CBCS until this issue is finally worked out. Any updates on this front? |
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