GSX 1 - CGC 9.920610
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| @Belarak lol true | ||
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 I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this.
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GAC private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by HAmistoso They're dumb...much like CGC.  |
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 I've spent years perfecting my brand of assholery.
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Quote:Originally Posted by Nuffsaid111 I wondered who owned the book. Everytime the cgc needs a shot of good press, one of their heavy submitters gets a woohoo grade on a high value book. The last one I remember was when Brian Ketterer got back a New Mutants 98 in 10.0. That staple rub in itself should be enough to keep that book out of 9.9 contention. Not to mention the slight miscut/miswrap. My CBCS 9.6 doesn't even have front cover staple rubs. I think I prefer it to the 9.9. Stunts like these are not circumspect at all. Nope, nothing to see here.  |
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@DrWatson That looks more like a 9.8  Nice book ! |
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| Thanks. I thought about having a press and resub, but I'm too chickenshite. It's good the way it is. | ||
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 Thank you sir. May I have another?
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Siggy private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by Nuffsaid111 I agree, but it still won't stop label chasers who sell comics. |
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 It gets old smelling it everytime I go outside my door.
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Nearmint67 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| @DrWatson Yours looks much nicer. Cleaner too. | ||
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 I'm not a plagiarist. I'm also not illiterate.
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Quote:Originally Posted by GACExactly! Oh let me send my books in to get dogged. I'll take a 3.5 on a book I think is a 5 and love it! |
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 I'm waiting.... (tapping fingers).Splotches is gettin old! |
Nuffsaid111 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| @DrWatson your book looks better than that book. That's for shite sure | ||
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I'm waiting.... (tapping fingers). Splotches is gettin old! |
Nuffsaid111 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| @Siggy yep. You got that right. Imagine if all folks had a bit of sense. Way too much to ask of number chasers | ||
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GIJFan123 private msg quote post Address this user | |
Bad picture, but here is my CBCS Verified Signature 9.9 of JLA/Avengers, signed by Tom Smith |
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Belarak private msg quote post Address this user | |
| CGC's marketing department every time something bad happens: |
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 would be nice to have a snugger fit.
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Quote:Originally Posted by TheShocker They don't need the 9.9 pre-screen to have that edge. That prescreen is for retailers and others who have a box of new variants or whatever and are hoping to get some 9.9's on their brand new, fresh-from-the-printer books. Those people only send their books to CGC, prescreen or not. CGC isn't convincing them to submit to CGC, they already do. The 9.9 pre-screen isn't going to be used by the typical comic-book collector. |
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Thank you sir. May I have another?
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Siggy private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by Sigur_Ros Could they, though? I mean if they're determined. Or did CGC set it up as you described? |
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would be nice to have a snugger fit.
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Quote:Originally Posted by Siggy No. CGC hasn't made this claim, they'll welcome any income. This is all just my 2 cents. And yes, anyone can, but the reason I'm saying this is because who is going to submit a book hoping for a 9.9 pre-screen and say "If it only hits 9.8, don't slab it". ? That's what a pre-screen is. |
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| May not look like a 9.9 but could be a very nice 9.8. I’m not a 9.8 buyer, never mind giving a rats ass about a 9.9… but not sure how some people compare 9.6 vs 9.8 or 9.9 based on less-than-ideal images. For me to judge a 9.9 I’d need to see that book in person (or very high res images) and then compare vs a random sampling of perhaps 10 or 20 9.8 graded books (in-hand or very high res images). If the 9.9 appears to have fewer defects than ALL of my random sample of 9.8 books, then I’d say it might be a 9.9… |
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Davethebrave private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by Sigur_Ros Agreed. Ultimately what this drives beyond bulk “from the printer” modern submissions are resubs from people who feel their copies are exceptional / could be improved with a press. But there will also be lottery players … with modern books that are virtually worthless except in a 9.9… personally those 9.9s should still be “worthless”… in my eyes… but opinions clearly differ. There will be irrational submissions and CGC is clearly trying to motivate some of that behavior too. |
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I'm waiting.... (tapping fingers). Splotches is gettin old! |
Nuffsaid111 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Makes sense now that I think more about it. Why can't staple pressure that results in very observable loss of color not be a 9.9? They create the scam. So if that is the criteria within the scam, then 9.9 it is. |
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| I just noticed the QES sticker. qescomics.com/ Which is also owned by the owner of the book. A book can have a 9.6 NM perfect spine and a rather unfortunate tear on the back cover. With third-party labels, that book sits at 7.0, and its flawless spine ceases to exist. Our goal is to fix that problem, which is why we've come up with QES. At QES, every book that gets submitted will be carefully evaluated in order to find its superior features, rather than allowing shortcomings to define its condition. This explains everything. Perhaps the cgc ignored the shortcomings when they gave it a 9.9 as well. |
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| I'm sorry but I think that is another way for CGC to confuse the customer and justify their poor grading. With that logic Dr. Watson's book would be a 10. The color on his book is far superior to that 9.9. Any flaws his book has would be overridden by the right off the press color. I don't agree with their QES philosophy. It's taking away a definitive way of determining a grade and making it subjective. Anyone can look at a book and say, "You know what, I don't care about that water stain on the back. That book is perfect. Give it a 9.8". When you allow a person to bypass the flaws on a grade you diminish the true grade of a book. I do think they could give a subjective grade and say that the book is a 9.6 but with its superior cover we think it's worth the same as a 9.8. We do that all the time when we look at graded books. Would you rather have Dr. Watson's 9.6 or the 9.9. I'll take the 9.6 because it looks sooo much better than that 9.9. |
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| No grader notes? What is the defect that keeps it from a 10? The staple by Nigjtcrawler's hip: it's not broken through? But if I can see it, is it a loss of color? I'm not h8ing, it's a gorgeous book. I just have huge concerns with professional grading right now. |
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| 9.9s are the new 9.8s: they are all over eBay now. Search Batman 9.9 or Harley Quinn 9.9; you will get 30+ listings. This never used to happen. CGC has changed their grading standards. | ||
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I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this.
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GAC private msg quote post Address this user | |
| 9.9s are the equivalent of a sub-section of the Qualified grade without getting the green label. Take a 9.8 book...ignore the flaw and call it a 9.9. | ||
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would be nice to have a snugger fit.
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Sigur_Ros private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by dpiercy Mostly exclusives, with card stock covers, and likely mostly submitted straight from printing. Card stock covers really increased the number of high graded books. I'm not saying they haven't lowered their standards. It seems like they have. I like how CBCS has no hesitancy to give a 9.9 to a book that deserves it. That's how it should be. I think maybe CGC is just coming around to that. But also, the quality of books is just higher than it used to be. The production, not the writing. |
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| @Nuffsaid111 Vincent is a co-founder and owner along with Stephen Fishler. | ||
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 You can't get good wood on the ball every time.
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| I swear this is a badly scripted movie that would never get greenlit because it wouldn't be believable. I thought selling grades and stabbing clear plastic would be the final nail and was wrong, but man if CGC manages to crash both the 9.8 market and the 9.9 market at the same time, that's going to show a special kind of stupid that could become a case study for the future. The big problem is now a lot of people doubt 9.9s, and while there were a few before, Ebay is already getting flooded as it's been pointed out. There was already a sizable group of doubters of the 9.8/9.6 gap and that just got a lot bigger too. I can't see any long term outcome on the graded market from this other than bad, bad, bad. |
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I'm waiting.... (tapping fingers). Splotches is gettin old! |
Nuffsaid111 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| 239 9.8s over the span of almost 25 years Video on how to pre-screen with a hint and a nod to 9.9s Hyper focus and discussions about 9.9 and hint & nods towards that direction starting with Nelson Finally, a 9.9 of a major key occurs after 239 attempts and 25 years Seems fine to me. And someone(s) will defend this Bankman-Fried masquerading as a business entity. They need to change from CGC to CBF (Comic Bankman Fried) Not just a joke; not just a scam, but a framework revision to the very scam. Why would anyone be upset. I just don't understand it  |
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I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this.
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GAC private msg quote post Address this user | |
| @HotKeyComics Don't forget....cgc still has the 10.0 grade to play with. | ||
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I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this.
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GAC private msg quote post Address this user | |
| The Great Grading Schism is upon Us....the true comic collectors have CBCS and the rest, for whatever you call what they're doing, have the cgc. | ||
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