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 Not trying to be an ass since February 12, 2020.
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Quote:Originally Posted by GACif PGX is still around then anyone in the game is fine. PGX (with all do respect) is garbage. CGC is fine I guess. I just don’t agree with how they are able to round up the cattle for their gimmicks and manipulating something as serious as collectible verification for sake of appeasing consumers. Qualified grade reminds me of eBay raw books labeled as NM or Mint that are questionably FN at best. just look past the 20 spine tics and dog ears and its easily a 9.8; after all its a rare cable#1. |
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 I'm waiting.... (tapping fingers).Splotches is gettin old! |
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| With these types of "topics/changes/situations", I can only provide my own perspective and how it impacts me. Because afterall, that's all I know. - i.e. what I will do. I've only and always used CBCS for 2 primary reasons: 1. Ease at conventions to get a witness vs. the absurdity/craziness at the CGC booth 2. Verification of signatures All else I use CGC not because I like them. In fact I despise everything about them. But it's not product I am retaining. It is product I sell and it's all about what majority of others want; not what I want. With this news, I kinda now lose Item #2 due to the CGC vs CBCS value equivalence thing. So until I personally see that value equivalence topic that has been a discussion on this forum a gazillion times, sorry but #2 will be gone for me. I'm just one guy, but I bet there are more. I will still continue with #1; however just because I can't deal with the CGC crowds and chaos at conventions |
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Not trying to be an ass since February 12, 2020.
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Quote:Originally Posted by Nuffsaid111do you think they will offer qualified signatures? Amazing Fantasy #15 10.0 “Authentic Stan Lee signature on cover un-verifiable” |
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 Hmm... Moderated again!
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| I may send them the Silver Surfer #4 signed by Stan Lee that Beckett was unable to authenticate just for grins and giggles. I'm not worried about its authenticity because I personally put it in front of the man in the early 90's and watched him sign it, so I was disappointed at the BAS failure. It'll be interesting to get a second opinion. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by Silversorrow Yep...I am done too. I got sick amd tired of their shenanigans |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Studley_Dudley Oh man…those were rough times too! Didn’t they have a hurricane hit before they moved from Tampa, then had another hit Texas after they settled in? |
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 You can't get good wood on the ball every time.
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| Has CGC actually announced that verified signatures will get yellow labels or is everyone just assuming that? If I was CGC I would leave yellow for witnessed only and do a different color for verified siggys. |
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 I’m not an ant. I’m a rootin tootin Hornet!
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| @figment same with me I got one in person also I might send it CGC to see if it passes. BAS couldn’t verify mine either. | ||
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 would be nice to have a snugger fit.
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Quote:Originally Posted by Belarak I know people here love to find fault w/ CGC but I'll never understand why people say that. Why would a pre-screen equate to more higher graded books? Was there an uptick in 9.8's when CBCS started pre-screening? As I've said all along, that service is only beneficial to retailers/YouTubers/etc who produce exclusives and send a box in for a 9.9 prescreen. Anyone who bought a book off the shelf and sends it in for the 9.9 PS is just an idiot. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by PolarisNuclearSS2020 Automatic Comics is the guy who scoured the CGC boards for new slab-swap info to quickly make videos and claim he discovered them. Forget his boring delivery and "Never-CBCS" attitude... why does anyone watch him? Quote: Originally Posted by PolarisNuclearSS2020 Blackstone. |
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| Seeing as how JSA is a well-respected authentication company, will CBCS honor their authentications if I choose to have CBCS re-holder an authenticated CGC book? Also, JSA likes to put their crappy little stickers on EVERYTHING they touch. Will they start putting them on the comics prior to slabbing? |
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| Somehow I saw this coming a few months ago because everyone else was doing it and well, it was only a matter of time. Still sticking with CBCS: better case, better label, better grading. |
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| @Drogio I believe so | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by Sigur_Ros Its because in the pre-screen video they released, they show some 9.9s that never would have got 9.9s before, so there is a lot of concern that previous 9.8s will now get 9.9s with their apparent new lower standards for 9.9s, which would definitely devalue 9.8s. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by HotKeyComics Pretty sure that was just a demonstration video to show what they do for a prescreen of publisher defects. Not actual results. Especially since they didn't even open the books, and piled them according to grade. |
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| @Sigur_Ros because for a long while now the quality of their grading has dropped. A 9.8 at CGC most look like 9.6 with spine ticks. 9.9 will be like the old 9.8 they use to grade. In turn more 9.9 and 10 will be in the market from CGC. I have been trying for the longest time to figure why they loosened their grading standard and now we all know why more money to put 9.9 and 10 on the market. Even if CGC calls it a 9.9 or 10 in real life it’s probably not. CGC reminds me a lot like PGX grading I have often wondered if they hired some of PGX graders to work for CGC. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Sigur_Ros its all about perception and the perception of that video was really bad, they never should have released it. |
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Zombie_Head private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by Sigur_Ros What’s funny is the ones he pulled for 9.9 and 10 where slabbed as such. So yes the video was right on par of what they do. |
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Sigur_Ros private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by Zombie_Head How do you know they were? Genuine question. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Sigur_Ros In the video he was holding two of them and he said what the out come was. |
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Sigur_Ros private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by Zombie_Head You said the ones he put in piles were slabbed as such. How do you know ? |
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I'm waiting.... (tapping fingers). Splotches is gettin old! |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Sigur_Ros For me, this is the concern. Is it a demonstration video or isn't it? I sure hope it is. But as a reasonably knowledgeable consumer, I can't answer that question and that's not a good thing. This video, although maybe unintended, does raise my eyebrow on many levels. Can we imagine a scenario in any grading company that doesn't look at the pages before issuing a grade? I can't envision that and yet that could be taken from the video. It's on them to do a better marketing and/or message delivery job. If someone asked me if I would be willing to put down $100 on the table stating that they look at all pages for all books, all the time, I would not put that money down. That's kinda not good. But again, I don't really care what they do or don't do - as long as their darn crap sells for top dollar, then what everyone else thinks is ok with me. I'll tow that line forever as long as I have books to sell. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Nuffsaid111 I agree it's not clear. And I'm just making an assumption. Soon as I saw he wasn't wearing gloves, I realized it's probably just a demo. Add to that, the bad corners in those piles. I think they do look inside the books and wouldn't be graded without doing so. But that's just me. I don't know what actually happens at CGC/CBCS. Also agree that books for sale go to CGC to maintain their highest value. Started doing personal books at CBCS because I liked the labels and cases better.. but the customer service was a huge disappointment. And, they changed their labels. So I figured sig verification only. But now... |
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 I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this.
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Quote:Originally Posted by Hexigore I hope not and nor should they. Just like they wouldn't honor CGCs grading they shouldn't honor JSAs authentication. |
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Hmm... Moderated again!
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Quote:Originally Posted by GAC But they honor the CGC pedigree distinction and witnessed signatures, is that different? |
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Quote:Originally Posted by GAC Agreed. It wanders too far into judgment rather than fact. We know there may be shenanigans around witnessed signatures but those are limited to fraud (or mistake). Pedigree should have some chain of facts to establish provenance. Personally, I think signatures could also incorporate a chain of facts to establish provenance. It would almost never be worth the effort, however - so not something you can do as part of a standardized / mass marketed service. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Sigur_Ros Just to clarify, CGC (and I would assume CBCS as well) does not use gloves when grading books. If you go to CGC’s site, there’s a Matt Nelson video about grading that points this out. With gloves it’s apparently harder to detect certain things. So I wouldn’t put any stock into the fact that this “demo” video doesn’t show them wearing gloves either. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Hexigore I wouldn’t *think* so, but who really knows. Remember, Beckett uses stickers too - I have some autographed baseballs authenticated by Beckett - but luckily there are no stickers on our CBCS books  |
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Belarak private msg quote post Address this user | |
| @MisterMR When did you get your baseballs authenticated? I have two baseballs I sent in a couple years ago that are encased with no sticker. I had mine graded for the autograph too. I don't know if that makes a difference. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by Belarak 2021 I think? There’s an LOA option too for people who don’t want stickers. I THINK autograph grading (not just autograph authentication) also does not carry a sticker because I believe the item, in this case a baseball, is encased and the case will carry the signature grade on it. |
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