CGC Aquiring Signature Authentication Company20581
 You do know that the new guy brings the donuts, right?
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DWeeB1967 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Interesting. https://www.collectiblesgroup.com/news/article/12753/ |
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GIJFan123 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| This is HUGE! If CGC will now be offering non witnessed Signature Verification through JSA, and the recent price reduction, it will be very hard for CBCS to compete. | ||
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 I haven't aired it out. It's part of the provenance.
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Galen130 private msg quote post Address this user | |
Thanks for sharing, @DWeeB1967.  I saw this news briefly on the 'other' boards, and I personally could care less. I stopped dealing with CGC grading back in 2020 and I haven't looked back. For me, there is nothing CGC as a whole can do to get me back because I don't think it's possible for them to go back to the way it used to be before 2019/2020. I'm also in the process of leaving their forums for good, once I run one more CGC slab sales thread. I'm done with them...got better things to do, especially since I'll be starting a new job in April. The I.T./Invision people can't get their act together either, so it's bye, bye birdie!!! |
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Studley_Dudley private msg quote post Address this user | |
| @Galen130 you're right. That place turned into a trash factory... Or into a bigger trash factory. | ||
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I haven't aired it out. It's part of the provenance.
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Galen130 private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by Studley_Dudley Yup!!!  |
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the420bandito private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I've have books signed by Robert Crumb that have been waiting for this day. | ||
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 I'm waiting.... (tapping fingers).Splotches is gettin old! |
Nuffsaid111 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Rut Ro Just when things were looking up here (because of the dumpster fires over there) |
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 I’m not an ant. I’m a rootin tootin Hornet!
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Zombie_Head private msg quote post Address this user | |
| @GIJFan123 no CBCS cases are better and grading is better. CGC is trash they are trying to compete because CBCS is destroying them from all there scandals. | ||
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Silversorrow private msg quote post Address this user | |
| This won't change anything for me. I would never submit to CGC regardless of their ability to verify signatures or not. | ||
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 I've spent years perfecting my brand of assholery.
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DrWatson private msg quote post Address this user | |
| All those people waiting for a verification service from the cgc were never going to submit to CBCS any way. Perhaps this development will keep prices in check on both sides and create a win-win for everyone. | ||
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 I have not set up at a con since 2029.
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PolarisNuclearSS2020 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| CGC is really trying to tank the FMV of their slabs in a misguided effort to recover from the 2 lawsuits WRT switched out slabs. ....between this news, and what looks like a soon to be introduced 9.9 and 10 pre-screen grading option. I'm going to start posting on the CGC forums again this week, going to run a sales threead there but my other reason for posting is to further "rally the troops" of other dealers. I urge other CGC dealers to be vocal in their justified disdain for CGC's 9.9 and 10 pre-screen, that seems to be in the works. Even if you aren't a dealer and are a collector of CGC 9.8 BA, SA, CA and modern age, CGC pre-screening for 9.9 and 10 gradeswillhurt the FMV of your 9.8's. CGC 9.8's of copper thru moderns will drop appreciably in value, as AutomaticComics explains here: This signature verification company buy is a secondary issue, but shows a pattern of exceedingly awful business decisions by whomever is calling shots at CGC. My hunch is that CGC is taking such steps not purely to make a quick buck, but to wave shiny objects over our eyes to distract from the 2 ongoing "CGC scam lawsuits". It's become readily apparent that slabs by any comic grading company can beopened up without breaking the slabs, no slabs are "tamper evident proof", or whatever CGC and CBCS calls their slabs. This isnt just some random guy on the internet going off, it's been made clear by ImmaculateComics that CGC and CBCS slabs can be opened without causing readily apparent damage to the slabs. The chief safeguard against this is all books being scanned upon delivery for grading to CGC and CBCS, and that is as foolproof as it can get. Any new case design of cases will not prevent swap outs, ImmaculateComics 's youtube videos on CBCS and CGC cases prove this. this. Nelson is a smart guy, I can only imagine he's following directions from the owner of CGC, whom is following Black Rock's lead to generate more profits. While a 9.9/10.0 prescreen and sig verification will likely generate profitable new revenue streams for CGC in the short term, the effects to the end point buyer of CGC slabs and CGC submitters/dealers, will be disastrous. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qtxqBmez6Y |
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GIJFan123 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| @Zombie_Head CBCS may have better casing, but the non witness sig was a huge draw (don't get me wrong, I've had my own issue with a mis verified sig). Now that CCG has bought JSA, though, idk how CBCS can come back |
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 We should have the forum rate our packages.
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HeinzDad private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I'm just here for the hilarity. | ||
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RRO private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Never say never... | ||
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 I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this.
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GAC private msg quote post Address this user | |
| CBCS will be just fine. | ||
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 I'd like to say I still turned out alright, but that would be a lie.
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Quote:Originally Posted by GAC The main appeal of this will be resubmitting signed comics with Qualified labels to CGC if the grade will remain the same, the label will change, and they'll only be charged the verified signature and reholder fee. Those hesitant to risk having the grade lowered with CBCS may find this more appealing, especially if they aren't charged a grading fee. I still don't see this changing anything for CBCS. Their new labels, better cases, consistent grading and actual standards will continue to attract more potential CGC customers. Here's a few I have that I still have no intention of submitting to either company:     |
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Belarak private msg quote post Address this user | |
| @PolarisNuclearSS2020 Immaculate comics said he couldn't open the newest CBCS slabs without leaving evidence. @flanders Who knows maybe you can submit that Spider-Man #1 and get a 9.9 or a 10. Based on the newest prescreen video they put out, 9.9's and 10's will be more common. |
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| For fodder (But hope some of you out there with You Tube accounts sound off -diplomatically about any disagreements you may have). Here's what i'll say again having no horse in the race and wanting BOTH companies to be in the game: Those in the 'CGC tank' would totally have written off CBCS if any of the recent scandals were at their door and instead of CGC's. Their obituary would have been written and they would never let anyone who even considered submitting to CBCS forget it. The Pulp grading, 9.9 / 10 prescreen announcements and now this are all to get beyond that dark period, and by George if they aren't working (and brilliant!). Hat's off to them! But I think all this talk about CBCS being 'done' is either wishful thinking or an attempt at Jedi Mind Tricks https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jgv9bdkZ-6E |
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I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this.
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GAC private msg quote post Address this user | |
| This is good for CGC as it gets (probably a significant %) collectors with green labels for unwitnessed signatures to re-submit for a yellow label. They capture the (in my opinion) tiny % of CGC collectors who only submit to CBCS for signature verification. Of the two points above, the only one that impacts CBCS is the second one and I'm convinced that's a very small %. Everyone else whose loyal or prefers CBCS or CGC will continue with their loyalty/preference. If I was CGC, I would immediately offer a "cross over" promo to try and get those CBCS verified signatures into CGC slabs and if I was CBCS I'd offer a discount a week before CGC launches their new signature program. |
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 I like bean sprouts.
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James42 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| CGC knew it was leaving money on the table with green label books. Now they can charge extra for all those J. Scott Campbell books they encapsulate, and probably capture a lot of the Spawn #350 "thank you" books for the flippers to sell. Still not going to fix the slabs, Newton rings, massive QC issues, or shaky grading. I will buy JSA authenticated books, just like I buy CGC graded books, but I certainly won't be submitting anything. |
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Zombie_Head private msg quote post Address this user | |
| @GIJFan123 come back from what? They are superior all the way around. CGC has hit or miss grading and horrible cases with Newton rings. Only positive will be if they can verify real Stan Lee signatures where CBCS has trouble doing it. |
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I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this.
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GAC private msg quote post Address this user | |
| It's actually quite hilarious reading some comments on Youtube of this news saying that CBCS is done. People are delusional lol!! | ||
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Belarak private msg quote post Address this user | |
| @GAC They're all CGC fan boys like Swagglehaus. He has another Kickstarter for his next book, gotta keep cgc happy. | ||
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Studley_Dudley private msg quote post Address this user | |
| CBCS survived its missteps with the rivets, the huge backlog from the move to TX, and its dog shit customer service. I'm positive that CBCS will be fine. | ||
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 Not trying to be an ass since February 12, 2020.
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HulkSmash private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by GACif PGX is still around then anyone in the game is fine. PGX (with all do respect) is garbage. CGC is fine I guess. I just don’t agree with how they are able to round up the cattle for their gimmicks and manipulating something as serious as collectible verification for sake of appeasing consumers. Qualified grade reminds me of eBay raw books labeled as NM or Mint that are questionably FN at best. just look past the 20 spine tics and dog ears and its easily a 9.8; after all its a rare cable#1. |
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I'm waiting.... (tapping fingers). Splotches is gettin old! |
Nuffsaid111 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| With these types of "topics/changes/situations", I can only provide my own perspective and how it impacts me. Because afterall, that's all I know. - i.e. what I will do. I've only and always used CBCS for 2 primary reasons: 1. Ease at conventions to get a witness vs. the absurdity/craziness at the CGC booth 2. Verification of signatures All else I use CGC not because I like them. In fact I despise everything about them. But it's not product I am retaining. It is product I sell and it's all about what majority of others want; not what I want. With this news, I kinda now lose Item #2 due to the CGC vs CBCS value equivalence thing. So until I personally see that value equivalence topic that has been a discussion on this forum a gazillion times, sorry but #2 will be gone for me. I'm just one guy, but I bet there are more. I will still continue with #1; however just because I can't deal with the CGC crowds and chaos at conventions |
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Not trying to be an ass since February 12, 2020.
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HulkSmash private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by Nuffsaid111do you think they will offer qualified signatures? Amazing Fantasy #15 10.0 “Authentic Stan Lee signature on cover un-verifiable” |
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 Hmm... Moderated again!
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| I may send them the Silver Surfer #4 signed by Stan Lee that Beckett was unable to authenticate just for grins and giggles. I'm not worried about its authenticity because I personally put it in front of the man in the early 90's and watched him sign it, so I was disappointed at the BAS failure. It'll be interesting to get a second opinion. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by Silversorrow Yep...I am done too. I got sick amd tired of their shenanigans |
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