No Encapsulation if Verification Fails option?20512
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| I am not seeing the box for no encapsulation if verification fails option. What happened to it? I want to send a book in with 5 signatures but I don't want it graded if one of the signatures can't be verified. How do I go about submitting this book? | ||
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| @press Hello, and welcome to the Forum. I'm sure someone will be along here shortly that can answer your question. | ||
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 No rust here...
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Nearmint67 private msg quote post Address this user | |
@press Welcome to the party pal... I mean forum!!! |
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Silversorrow private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Yeah, I just tried it out myself and the box is definitely MIA. Probably an oversight while updating their website. | ||
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 I wish I had a title.
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ComicNinja0215 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Welcome to the land of enchantment!! Journey into mystery!! See what I did there. lol |
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 I hear their hourly rate is outrageous!
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sportshort private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Finally, a question I can answer. It was removed because they no longer encapsulate & grade comics with unverified signatures. I argued that the folks across the street don't verify any signatures, and they encapsulate and grade with the statement on the label saying something like "writing on the cover." But, nope, they wouldn't see things my way. their new policy makes the box moot. When I say argued, I mean presented my view. I don't like arguing with people who cannot change policy and are just doing their job. |
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I hear their hourly rate is outrageous!
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sportshort private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I forgot to mention one thing: I told the customer service rep that this policy change will drive people to CGC, as it will me because I do want the book encapsulated and graded, even though the signature is not verified. I don't mean that CGC will get all my business because they won't, but they will get my "writing on the cover" books that I want slabbed. That part sucks 'cause I don't like CGC. |
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Silversorrow private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Well at least this will now save me from worrying on those occasions when I forget to put a checkmark in the "no encapsulation if verification fails" box. I've done that on a few occasions and worried that they could possibly fail and still get pressed/graded when they were no longer worth it. | ||
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 I’m not an ant. I’m a rootin tootin Hornet!
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Zombie_Head private msg quote post Address this user | |
| @sportshort I agree like when a Stan Lee fails and you got the signature in person people would still like to preserve the book with a grade even if it fails. I don’t understand why they would do this. That was a dumb decision. |
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| I just checked the email.. I got concerned, because I have some books off for a signing that already have a signature I obtained at a show. I thought they were saying that was what was going on with my books. | ||
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 I blame the forum gremlins.
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figment private msg quote post Address this user | |
| If VSP fails and the book comes back raw, can't you just send it back for grading without VSP. Yes, I know it would be a second order at cost, but wouldn't that be a way around their stupid decision? | ||
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 I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this.
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GAC private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Weird choice by CBCS. What is their reasoning for this? | ||
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 Masculinity takes a holiday.
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EbayMafia private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by sportshort Quote: Originally Posted by GAC I guess I could see that there is a difference between a signature that is unverified and one that has failed verification attempt. Seems to me that a decision to refuse grading after verification failure is a bad business decision. On the other hand, there probably should be something on the label indicating that verification was attempted. Maybe a label line stating "Unverifiable signature on cover" would be the best way to resolve this without turning away business. |
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 Not trying to be an ass since February 12, 2020.
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HulkSmash private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by EbayMafiaI think it’s an odd choice as well; perhaps they foresaw potential for certain shenanigans that may or may not have happened? Maybe we will see this option again after careful reevaluation by the CYA department. |
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I hear their hourly rate is outrageous!
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sportshort private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by GAC The customer service rep stated that CBCS was trying to avoid "liability". Not sure how it applies but again, I did not want to argue with someone just doing their job so I let it drop. |
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I hear their hourly rate is outrageous!
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sportshort private msg quote post Address this user | |
| @HulkSmash - "Maybe we will see this option again after careful reevaluation by the CYA department." This! |
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Masculinity takes a holiday.
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EbayMafia private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by sportshort Quote: Originally Posted by HulkSmash  |
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I blame the forum gremlins.
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figment private msg quote post Address this user | |
| So this is now an impossible book. It says very clearly "Stan Lee unverifiable by BAS" so what "liability" are they worried about?!? In this case, having personally presented the book to both gentlemen for signature in the early 90's, I can verify it even if they can't.  |
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I hear their hourly rate is outrageous!
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sportshort private msg quote post Address this user | |
| @figment - I don't know the answer to your question, mostly 'cause their stance/policy does not make sense to me. | ||
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| It is a strange policy. At what point is writing on a book an unverified signature making the book upgradable? Is it just a “we know it when we see it” type thing? If some kid named Timmy wrote his name on the cover of a book to mark it as his, is the book now ungradeable? Will they encapsulate unverified signatures if there is no grading? I don’t expect we’re going to see a wave of comics with writing on the cover returned ungraded because of this policy but I’m still not fond of it. |
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I hear their hourly rate is outrageous!
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sportshort private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by dielinfinite You must have listened to my conversation with customer service; that is almost exactly what I asked. It was "almost" because I went a little further. I asked, "What if a child wrote his name on his AF-15 and, as an adult, wants it graded? I cannot imagine CBCS returning the book ungraded". Again, she answered, It's the policy. I cut out most of my conversation with customer service in my first two posts so that I could get to the essential points, but this was one of the questions I asked. At that point in the conversation is when I actually said "I understand that it is not your decision." That's when I thanked her for the information and got off the phone. |
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I hear their hourly rate is outrageous!
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sportshort private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I may just be dreaming, but I expect that at some point, CBCS will walk this portion of their policy back. Fingers crossed. | ||
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sborock_ComicLink private msg quote post Address this user | |
This was a very bad move! IMHO.  |
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I hear their hourly rate is outrageous!
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sportshort private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by sborock_ComicLink Agreed! |
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