Could there be changes coming at the Mouse House?20429
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 Have I told you about the time I dropped off 3,000 comics at SDCC?
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| The MCU and Star Wars franchises have had a very mixed bag of box office results and reviews for the past half dozen years or so. This past year was absolutely horrendous for Disney. Below I am linking a business article regarding a possible proxy / board fight. If successful, one may see Ike Perlmutter come back into the fray at Disney MCU. I think it was late 2015 when he stopped overseeing Marvel Studios and he was "Laid Off" by Disney in 2019. Timing of his departure kinda sync's up to the eventual MCU decline. He came to the US over 50 years ago from Israel with $250 in his pocket back is now worth $4.5 Billion. He ushered Marvel out of bankruptcy back in 1997. Maybe bringing this guy back might be a good idea that Iger should implement and not face a battle with Peltz. Click HERE for link to story. |
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| His connections to a certain charlatan make this suggestion interesting. I'd say that's why he was laid off in 2019. Those really questionable "deals" starting in, about, 2016 had run their course. |
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 I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this.
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| From what I had read about Perlmutter back in the hayday of the MCU is that their success came in spite of him, not because of him. I've read the guy is a miser and doesn't like to pay the talent. He almost caused Robert Downey Jr. to leave after Iron Man 1. Repeatedly butting heads with Feige over budgets etc. I'm not sure Ike is the MCU savior. |
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 How do I know this? Because I've done it myself.
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| clickable text I read this awhile back and I tend to agree -- both Iger and Perlmutter need to go. It may even be time for Feige to step out and let some fresh blood come on in. I think keeping creativity fresh versus ensuring a steady cash flow is constantly in conflict in Hollywood. There are less studios now with less risks taken, and the result is a lot of mediocre movies where no one wants to pay $15-$20 a ticket when they can stream it 3 months later. There's a reason why Oppenheimer and Barbie made a billion dollars and recent comic book movies are bombing -- they're mediocre. Everyone's moved to streaming, and there's a flood of content there for all tastes (which will likely implode at some point, but hey, let's enjoy the good stuff while we can. (Personally, I enjoyed Squid Game, Last of Us, Beef, The Witcher, Wheel of Time, After Life, etc.) I think the best news is that the only "MCU" film this entire year is Deadpool 3. I'm hoping that's a good sign that Disney and the MCU realize they need to fix these problems. On the other hand, my gut says that Disney is going to milk its cash cow(s). Some of it will be good. Some of it will suck. I LOVED Andor. I enjoyed Captain America and The Winter Soldier and Moon Knight. Didn't care for Obi-Wan, hated Secret Wars, and I haven't watched Ms. Marvel, Ahsoka or Echo. She-Hulk was fine. Could take it or leave it. I'm hopeful for the new Daredevil show. Part of it is that I simply can't keep up, I'd like to watch them, but I think it's ridiculous that I need to watch everything to know what the hell is going on or to "fully appreciate it." Nothing I'm saying is new, and I have to think that these Disney guys who get paid millions of dollars have to be able to see the obvious: you have a mediocre product because you've gotten complacent from past successes; you have less competition in the film industry so you're more complacent and not competitive and striving to make the best product; you're rushing out constant content because you have to keep that streaming product competitive; you have way more streaming options where movies are available super quick; and you have escalating costs where a family of 4 has to shell out $150 just to go to a movie on opening night. Oh, and you make your viewers feel left out if they don't watch EVERYTHING. Hmmmm...but I guess they could just keep doing the same, waiting to see how long the audience just goes along with it until it finally collapes or a hostile takeover looms again like it did in the 80s. (One last thing: don't even get me started about Sony. I clearly am not the target market for any of that stuff like Venom, Morbius, Kraven or Madame Web. But when it comes to the best of comic related movies, I don't think it gets much better than the Spider-Verse movies. Personally, I think they're the best Spider-Man movies made and the success of Across the Spider-Verse only shows that a well done comic product can still be a massive success in 2023/2024.) |
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 Thank you sir. May I have another?
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| They need to hire writers again. REAL writers, not activists who can type. | ||
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| They went for quantity over quality. The math they bought into was as follows: * build a wide base of programming that feeds into a wide range of movies * interconnect them further, at any cost (not just monetary but creative credibility) * create a reliance back-forth * lose money today in streaming but with more content = more scale tomorrow * fund streaming losses with movie profit * use all the combined content to drive up subscribers to make streaming profitable (“fixed cost leverage”) The failure points were a) many movies sucked and did poorly - no profit source / cash cow b) the subscriber base increases weren’t significant enough to make up for the up-front-losses. If a) succeeded they would have continued this idiocy - pump out garbage just to increase title count. But failure of a) increased scrutiny of b) and they decided to cut losses. It’s a mess. |
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 I'm waiting.... (tapping fingers).Splotches is gettin old! |
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| You guys are all spot on! My thoughts as well. Including Perlmutter and the MCU |
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@Davethebrave Exactly -- and you said what I wanted to say in a much better and shorter way.  |
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 No rust here...
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| And to add to what @Davethebrave explained, There has been a lot of distraction at Disney. Last year Governor DeSantis took control of the surrounding property away from Disney and now Disney will have to start paying some big property taxes. A judge threw out a lawsuit Disney had filed against DeSantis over who governs the land surrounding Disney. Making Disney pay big taxes that they previously were exempt from since the 60's. This is costing the mouse a lot of cheese. And that leads to dissention in the ranks. And all of that trickles into every corner of the company. Cut corners to save money that they will be paying to the state of Florida. www.politico.com/news/2024/01/31/federal-judge-throws-out-disneys-lawsuit-against-desantis-00138852 |
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| I would be shocked if they brought Perlmutter back. Beyond his history of cheapskating the company, he's 81. Unless the idea was to give him a year to plan things out and then just hand it off to someone else to implement I don't see how you would count on him being around long enough to do anything. And if that was the plan, it would make more sense to get someone younger with ideas they like and let them implement their own plan. | ||
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| Sometimes you just have to get back to basics. Disney went woke and pissed off the silent majority. That led to the showdown with DeSantis. Once they get back to "family values", families will return. There's no room for activists pushing their agendas. People want to be entertained without underlying subliminal messages. | ||
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| The problem with art is that it's very subjective. We all have different opinions on what we like or don't like. I've heard this argument that Disney (and other similar businesses) are failing because they went "woke" for years now. However, I think there's plenty of evidence that shows otherwise and ignores the highest grossing movie of 2023, Barbie, which was very much labeled as a woke movie with a political agenda. So what is an "agenda film" anyway? We could argue that forever on this site. Sound of Freedom? Agenda film. Barbie? Agenda film. Moana? Agenda film. Black Panther? Agenda film. Avatar? Agenda film. American Sniper? Agenda film. Lone Surivor? Agenda film. Dances with Wolves? Agenda film. MASH? Agenda film and tv show. Golden Girls? Agenda tv show. Star Trek? Agenda tv show. Twillight Zone? Agenda tv show. Anyway, we could go on forever debating the success or failure of "agenda" driven entertainment. My opinion is that if something is creative and entertaining, it can be successful, despite whatever supposed "agenda" it may have. There's an audience out there for it, and it doesn't have to be for "everyone," and billions of dollars can still be made. So that brings me back to my first point -- I think when Disney (or other studios) tries to make something for "everyone," it often ends up being mediocre. I don't think Eternals bombed because it was too "woke." I think it bombed because it was 2 and a half of hours of boredom. Haven't seen The Marvels yet, but my wife, who is very "woke", while watching a preview turned to me and said, "that looks lame." |
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I'm waiting.... (tapping fingers). Splotches is gettin old! |
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| I'm trying to think of anything, ... anything in an entertainment industry that was universally beloved, expanded significantly in a short period of time, and actually got better? I can't think of anything |
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| @Nuffsaid111 Bingo. | ||
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| @lawguy1977 You nailed it. Trying to be everything for (nearly) everyone. It becomes a calculation. When art is a calculation it rarely succeeds as art. Rarely, not never. Of course also highly subjective. Another point you made, which I agree with, is that agenda is everywhere. Including in art. Always has been - and in many cases historically has been the inspiration behind the art. I doubt anyone could place me politically. I know I can’t. But I can say that there is a difference between when an agenda inspires art vs when it somehow “becomes” the art. I can enjoy punk rock (or a specific group) without agreeing with its “agenda” per se. There is even beauty in what Kurt Cobain called out (disdainfully) in his lyrics from In Bloom: “But he knows not what it means Knows not what it means And I say he's the one Who likes all our pretty songs And he likes to sing along”… This is actually how art succeeds. Arguably the messaging is more likely to have impact this way… ironic, don’t ya think? |
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| @Davethebrave Couldn't agree more. FYI, I'm stealing your line "there is a difference between when an agenda inspires art vs when it somehow 'becomes' the art."  |
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Quote:Originally Posted by OGJackster Every piece of media you consume is propaganda. I hate to break it to you. The government wants your kids as model consumers, so the dissolution of the nuclear family is the agenda du jour. In the 80s and 90s they wanted them for military service, so you got Hulkamania and similar American exceptionalist messaging. If you prefer the old propaganda, fine. I do too. But it's still propaganda. |
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| @Oldfuzznts You're not wrong Fuzzy. | ||
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 Staple topics, nice.
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| I do not have statistics, but from working in the tv and movie business, a piece of work may not make back the budget intended, but if clothes, toys, and other items sell because of these things, then it's a win. Older generations tend to introduce to the new, even if the feature is a flop, when those things fly off the shelf it's a win, even if it's not related. MCU characters sell, DCU characters sell etc. but may not have had any screen time, but ma and pa will tell the younger that this is part of that universe, sometimes the younger listen and want because of how it's related. I'll exclude knock offs and the like. | ||
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 Masculinity takes a holiday.
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Quote:Originally Posted by Davethebrave Dang. Up until now I always heard it in my head as "But he don't know what it means, don't know what it means". I guess there's some small amount of humorous irony in that. pew pew. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by EbayMafia Me too. My band even covered the song (in the 90s). I’m guessing we used the “wrong” lyrics… and I still hear it that way. I’m pretty sure on some live versions it was sung with those “alt” lyrics too. In fairness, you might not hear the words correctly but the meaning holds. We covered Pearl Jam too. Never bothered learning the lyrics to Yellow Ledbetter. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Davethebrave "But he don't know what it says, don't know what it says." I always thought the best fanboy dis line was the next one "he likes to shoot his gun". Picturing a dude with designer jeans and tie-dye shirt dancing around with index fingers in the air. |
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Masculinity takes a holiday.
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Quote:Originally Posted by Oldfuzznts @Oldfuzznts...meet the old boss, same as the new boss. |
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