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I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this. GAC private msg quote post Address this user
I just read on this website that CBCS will not grade underground comics. I was considering submitting my Air Pirates Funnies. Is this an underground comic?

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Yup. One of the most famous Undergrounds, actually
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Yup. One of the most famous Undergrounds, actually


Thank you! I wonder why CBCS will not grade it?
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I'm stumped on that one. I was unaware of that fact until this thread.
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You may want to contact CBCS on that one. It's my understanding that the main reason is because it is so hard to tell counterfeits from original. Plus, no data like print numbers, date, editor, artist, etc. That one is so well known that they might do it. I don't know, but I'd call them to find out if it were me.
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You may want to contact CBCS on that one. It's my understanding that the main reason is because it is so hard to tell counterfeits from original. Plus, no data like print numbers, date, editor, artist, etc. That one is so well known that they might do it. I don't know, but I'd call them to find out if it were me.


Thank you very much! This is the wording on this site:

RESTRICTIONS

Currently, we do not certify underground comics. A general rule to determine an "underground" would be if the comic is listed in the underground portion of the "Official Underground and Newave Comix Price Guide" published in 1982 by Jay Kennedy. CBCS does not consider most independent comics published after 1982 to be "underground," though there may be exceptions.


I will reach out to them and see if this book is an exception.

Thanks again!!
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That is rather a bit sad to learn CBCS has a misguided regressive gene still implanted in the psyche concept that the alternative method of distribution for "independent" comic books we called "underground" for awhile as it evolved in to being called Direct Market are not proper candidates for the slab gig. That is silly.

When placed in a time line of the most important "key" events in the annals of comic books it reads:

1) 1842 First comic book in America Obadiah Oldbuck by Rodolphe Topffer using the original printing plates brought over from England on the first Atlantic crossing on a steamship with no sails

2) 1849 First "home grown" original comic book in USA Journey to the Gold Diggins by Jeremiah Saddlebags

3) 1903 First nationally distributed" comic book in USA Buster Brown And His Resolutions Richard Outcault Cupples & Leon via Sears, Roebuck catalog.

4) 1938 First Super Hero comic book Action Comics #1 which ushered in the first Heroic Age explosion some think to be the most important event ever in comic books which is a bit silly as that era was over by 1946 once World War Two ended and genres exploded seeking a market.

5) 1968 First Creator Owned Royalty Paying Comic Book Zap Comics which is the nexus origin of what we came to call the Direct Market

It is EASY to tell which printing is which on 99% of the comic books printed and published 1968-1982(?) are "first" or not. MOST of them had just a single printing.

It is a fact that Superman #1 1939 had three printings in quick succession that year. First printing was 500,000; 2nd print 250,000; 3rd print 150,000 which has a lot of work yet to be done to ascertain which printing is which.

"Counterfeit" alternative comic books documented are very limited in nature to the likes of Cerebus #1 and Fantasy Quarterly #1 which contains first Pini Elfquest as well as a bit of Dave Sim. Both done at the same time from the original printing plates. I was hands on directly involved in busting "who dun it" back in the early 80s as we brought in the police in the SF Bay Area which led back to the Detroit area where they were printed.
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