Big Ol scandal brewing across the pond20250
 I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this.
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GAC private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Seeing as CBCS had the sonic weld through the label in past slabs, it tells me they obviously thought of/considered this security feature. The new slabs don't have that particular feature but hopefully they were still considering that particular potential security breach. Maybe the case shatters if flexed too much. It will be an interesting video. |
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I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this.
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GAC private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I am not aware of a single generation of CGC slab that welded the label to the inner well? Has one ever existed? | ||
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 I've spent years perfecting my brand of assholery.
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DrWatson private msg quote post Address this user | |
| @GAC I think the label and the comic book used to be sealed in a single inner sleeve at one point, then placed inside a case, and sealed. To open it, you had to peel the entire inner well apart like a package of lunch meat. However, I could be wrong or misremembering it. There's been a lot of water under that bridge. Given the number of books he's cracked out over the years, CFPComics would know for sure. | ||
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EbayMafia private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I feel like the QR code creates an opportunity to minimize this swapping concern through imaging and grader notes. Get hi-res scans every time a book passes through the system, and date them. Have the graders point out a couple of distinctive features in addition to the grader notes. Giving the public access to these things should minimize any desire to try to commit a swap-fraud. | ||
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consumetheliving private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by EbayMafia Funny how CGC just recently started including hi-res scans with the graders notes...hmm it's like they knew but didn't know but instituted a new process to help combat something they didnt know, but knew, was going on....🤣 |
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| @consumetheliving An excellent point. | ||
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GAC private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by DrWatson @DrWatson Doing it that way definitely works from a security standpoint. Clearly, they need to address this issue somehow. @EbayMafia the QR code works in some ways but it still won't stop a brazen scammer. The QR code is an after-the-matter defence unless you mean CGC/CBCS uses it whenever a reholder request comes through? |
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Can the moderators change my profile caption to <snip>
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ComicNinja0215 private msg quote post Address this user | |
Someday someone might try this with a new CBCS case but one of two thing could come of this. One, the case isn't as easily breakable as a CGC case or a CBCs book doesn't fetch as much money s a CGC one.....That last one sounds pretty good.   |
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 past performance is no guarantee of future actions.
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KatKomics private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by DrWatson I have some older CGC cases and they do indeed have the weld running through the label - but like to the side rather than through the holofoil like CBCS had (was ugly through the foil!!!) |
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Quote:Originally Posted by consumetheliving People keep mentioning the scans like CGC knew something but I don’t think the scans help with this particular scam. If you read through all 200(!) pages of that thread, people have stated that on some reholder submissions, the original scan of their book was replaced with a reholder scan. So if anything, the scans may actually help perpetuate the fraud. |
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| Question open for debate: what is the methodology CGC should use for making victims whole? Using purchase price will punish those who bought earlier and bail out those who bought in the bubble. Using current FMV (based on the label, not the book)will be subjective in some cases and controversial, but more fair in my mind. Follow up question: will CGC use a consistent methodology to settle claims? | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by MisterMR CGC should be comparing the original scans, if they exist, to the book in hand when performing a reholder. If there are obvious differences then the order should be flagged as fraudulent and moved to the next process for further review (no new Hi-res scans). This could be avoided all together by printing the label barcode on the inner sleeve. CGC scans each barcode and if they match, move on to the next process. Also, the scans are an additional charge, something like $5 per book, now they just started showing up about 6 months ago with the graders notes at no additional charge. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by EbayMafia I believe the only consistent method is to refund the complete purchase amount for each book that is deemed fraudulent. Then give the customer the option to buy back the re-garded book at the current FMV in grade. Any book left over from the "re-purchase" option will go up for action with the proceeds donated to a charity of CGC's choice. |
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esaravo private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I just watched a video that claims that there is proof that the scammer was swapping in lower graded books for higher graded ones since at least 2019. This was done without involving CGC at all at that time. Then when CGC copied the CBCS policy of free graders notes, the scam evolved into the re-holder version. The fact that CGC now includes free scans with the graders notes actually helped the scammer, as the scans of the swapped/fraudulent books in the new holders were "proof" that he what he was selling was "legitimate." | ||
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| I bet CGC knew when this happened 11 months ago : https://forum.cbcscomics.com/topic/19157/page/1/thats-gotta-hurt/#1 | ||
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| @the420bandito Not to disagree, but does Startling Comics 17 even have the census numbers to find another Startling Comics 17 in cgc 9.6 to perform a label swap on a qualified Startling Comics 17? I would think one would need books with high census numbers to make the most of the scam. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by consumetheliving Comparing the book to the scans is not a bad idea but the part that makes it unrealistic is the cost of doing so. Reholders are what? $15? To make money on that my guess is that you can’t spend more than probably 30 seconds tops per book. Looking at scans would involve comparing things like spine tics and cover centering, which would make it cost prohibitive. The only way it would work would be to raise the price of the reholder to match the fee they charge for a regular grade submission. I agree that the most practical thing would be to just put the cert # or a barcode on the inner sleeve. |
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 I'd like to say I still turned out alright, but that would be a lie.
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Quote:Originally Posted by Jesse_O I was going to comment earlier how this new youtuber is in such a rush to be the first to get a video out that everything is poorly planned and he is quite awful at opening cases. He relies on us using our imagination of how easily a case and inner well can be opened and resealed rather than actually doing it. I like how he melts half the case and uses the worst tool possible to undo the clips. Maybe @Joosh should give him lessons. |
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 Staple topics, nice.
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| 🤣Cost of grading, going up, after all this information hitting the internet. Helping the cons to get smarter, lol. | ||
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Davethebrave private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by flanders It is funny - I have a lot of automotive (and other) repair tools. You wouldn’t use a metal pry on plastic - plastic interior pry tools or plastic pry tools for electronics, sure. Even then, it is difficult to apply heat to plastics without some deformation (in fact that is the objective). I have seen scam swapped books / cases before and they are often noticeable in videos or photos. In-hand… obviously far more so. That said, if you are expecting damage and the book looks “close enough” and you’re just going through the motions, this can slip by. If people are rewarded for throughput - if no automated flagging in system or other process deficiencies, this can be exploited. |
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Davethebrave private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by MisterMR It is a shockingly easy application for an automated tool. Imaging to determine if the same book. I cannot overemphasize-it is an incredibly easy deployment of automation if they have the original sub in the database. Would take seconds and you can layer it with some simple process steps depending on other book characteristics. The total cost amortized across their volume … negligible. Doesn’t mean they will do it. Negligible is still a few million dollars of investment… |
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I had more trouble opening this Boggle packaging last night than a CGC slab. The heat seal is deep (whereas the ones used on all the top grading company's inner wells seem like they could be peeled apart and then resealed with a Uline heat sealer. But if a company had their own heatsealing tool (that had a distinct pattern like "CBCSCBCSCBCSCBCS" that might make it harder. |
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 I'm waiting.... (tapping fingers).Splotches is gettin old! |
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| @SidTheSquid Those blister packs are INCREDIBLY hard to open !!! |
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 We should have the forum rate our packages.
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HeinzDad private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by makahukaThis is exactly what I talked to a buddy about today. Any improvements, on any slabs, at any company, are going to require mas diñero. Think about that while everyone is giving tips on how to make everything better. |
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| The point of encapsulation wasn't to seal the comic book up permanently. It was supposed to be an impartial (I know, ha ha.) grading service to help level the playing field between buyer and seller. If the buyer (or seller) wanted the book out of the slab, then that was their choice after purchase. | ||
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We should have the forum rate our packages.
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@GAC, |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Sigur_Ros you don’t read me - shocking! |
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KatKomics private msg quote post Address this user | |
| if ever there was a cautionary tale for buy the book not the grade this scandal fits right in. Sounds like they were doing this before by swapping low grade books into higher grade holders. While harder to catch a close grade reholder 9.4 for 9.6 say or same for same grade but MJ or Marvel stamp that's one thing. But - straight swap of low grade for higher grade it kind of falls a bit on the buyer (even though it's supposed to be Guaranteed) - there's an example apparently of an ASM 129 8.0 that became a 9.0 This is where buy the book not the grade comes in - if that 9.0 looks bad...then don't buy it Not saying every case is a swap - there are over (and under) grades and of course things can happen to the book while in the holder too!! so always remember to also look at the book - not just the grade!!! I just got a grail and spent lots of time looking at the different books in my grade/price range - lots of variation of types of book issues once you get into the mid grades so while one 7.0 didn't look nice to me another 7.0 did...there was one that looked awesome for the grade but at $1500 more than others it got out of my price range amateur tip - if you can....get a mid grade book that looks like a 9+ but has it's issues on the back or interior (foxing, stain etc.) - great way to get a beautiful book at a discount..and when you look at or display your graded books how often do you sit and admire the back cover!! |
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 SpongeBob Comics #1 sells for $991!
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Quote:Originally Posted by flanders One great thing I have noticed on CBCS cases is the label is encapsulated in the same sleeve as the book (with heat seals creating separation,) so while I could easily remove the hard case, the book was still joined to the label. I don’t know of a non-evident way of separating them. CBCS has my biz fur shur. I haven’t had the newest case in my hands yet; I’m hoping it’s a similar design. |
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