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past performance is no guarantee of future actions. 32.89K	32.89K KatKomics private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Sooo....I have a CGC 9.0 Aquaman #4 qualified green label because it is detached at 1 staple. If I were to send it into CBCS to grade would it still pull a fake grade of 9.0 with the notation that it has 1 staple detached or would it get a real grade of XX? Just thinking that if I try to sell this book it would look better in a blue label rather than green!!! To that point I also have a JLA #2 in 6.5 with a purple CGC label - would probably sell better with blue label and notation of the married page?
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I've spent years perfecting my brand of assholery. 65.41K	65.41K DrWatson private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 3
	CBCS has no qualified or What If? grade. It would get the standard blue label grade for a book in its given condition.
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	With two hands.
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	I'm new to 3rd party grading & I personally submitted to CBCS in Plano, TX, an unread copy of Giant X-Men #1 which I purchased back in 1975 at a Thrifty Drug Store in La Habra, CA, 90631. I remember buying it since I started to collect #1's of any publication. Access to acid free backing boards & polypropylene plastic sleeves was not readily available since comic book stores weren't that plentiful in Southern California back then. I stored the comic books in orderly stacks in real wood drawers (not compressed wood), un-touched for years. I was more of a DC fan rather than Marvel because DC had less dialog & thought bubbles which would crowd the art work. I also was one of those Asians who didn't like to read at the time; I was more of a "picture" guy. Little did I know that comic books would become a big deal. Anyway, the Giant X-MEN #1 came back an 8.0. My question is what's the deal with the different color labels?
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	@KatKomics what @DrWatson said. @docsantos51 Welcome to the forum! CBCS has two label colors. Blue and Yellow. Blue can mean a few things. You'll need to look at the top left corner above the grade to see if there's anything there. If not, you've got a universal grade. This pretty much means the book has not been "tampered" with. Aside from the condition, it's pretty much as it was first published. If there is something in the top left corner, it will say Restored or Conserved. Restored means something has been added to the book to make the appearance of the book look better than it was just before the Restoration occurred. This can include colour touch, tear seals etc. Conserved can also be at the top left corner and this means something has been added to the book to slow or stop the degradation of the book. This usually means glue or tape has been added. It keeps the book together. Yellow label means there's a signature. The signature is either Witnessed or Verified. Witnessed means a representative from CBCS was present at the time of signing. Verified means the book was submitted to Beckett (CBCS parent) and the signature on the book was analyzed by their professionals and determined the signature to be authentic or verified. Or perhaps you mean the different CBCS label designs....these are just different generation of labels. CBCS has modified their labels over the years.
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COLLECTOR 27.18K	27.18K dielinfinite private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 6
	@KatKomics From the CBCS Website Quote: Originally Posted by CBCS Website FINE 7.0 TO 5.5 7.0 FINE / VERY FINE 6.5 FINE+ 6.0 FINE 5.5 FINE– This comic is definitely a read copy with handling wear, but can still be a very desirable copy. This could have one major defect like a larger piece out of the cover, a long tear or a detached centerfold. -It has stress lines on the spine and creases from the opening and closing of the cover. -This could have a light reading or subscription crease or a rolled spine, but is not damaged enough to reduce eye appeal dramatically. -Some cover discoloration, fading in colors and soiling is allowed. The cover and/or inside pages could have some tears and/or folds. -With the absence of many other defects, the cover can be detached from one staple, but cover cannot be completely detached from interior. -Books with slightly brittle pages cannot grade higher than 6.5 and generally are even lower in grade. -Pages and inside covers could be brownish but not brittle. -Depending on the look of the comic, very small amounts of tape could be acceptable in this grade.
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past performance is no guarantee of future actions. 32.89K	32.89K KatKomics private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 2
	Quote: Originally Posted by dielinfinite @KatKomics From the CBCS Website Quote: Originally Posted by CBCS Website FINE 7.0 TO 5.5 7.0 FINE / VERY FINE 6.5 FINE+ 6.0 FINE 5.5 FINE– This comic is definitely a read copy with handling wear, but can still be a very desirable copy. This could have one major defect like a larger piece out of the cover, a long tear or a detached centerfold. -It has stress lines on the spine and creases from the opening and closing of the cover. -This could have a light reading or subscription crease or a rolled spine, but is not damaged enough to reduce eye appeal dramatically. -Some cover discoloration, fading in colors and soiling is allowed. The cover and/or inside pages could have some tears and/or folds. -With the absence of many other defects, the cover can be detached from one staple, but cover cannot be completely detached from interior. -Books with slightly brittle pages cannot grade higher than 6.5 and generally are even lower in grade. -Pages and inside covers could be brownish but not brittle. -Depending on the look of the comic, very small amounts of tape could be acceptable in this grade. thanks!! I read the grading but obviously not close enough!!! - does control + F find work on the CBCS site - YES!! should have use that!! Soooo.... Aquaman stays in fake grade CGC to sell and JLA gets out of purple and into blue with a notation!! Or maybe Aquaman goes into CBCS blue label but drops from fake CGC 9.0 to real 7.0? - anyone have thought on what sells for more - fake green CGC 9.0 or real blue 7.0??
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	@KatKomics - From experience, the highest universal slab grade that I have ever seen for a comic with one detached cover staple was a 6.5. For one detached staple at the centerfold I have seen up to a 9.0. Don’t know if that helps.
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past performance is no guarantee of future actions. 32.89K	32.89K KatKomics private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 1
	Quote: Originally Posted by esaravo @KatKomics - From experience, the highest universal slab grade that I have ever seen for a comic with one detached cover staple was a 6.5. For one detached staple at the centerfold I have seen up to a 9.0. Don’t know if that helps. thanks @esaravo !! hmm...so maybe just a 6.5 as this is a cover detached at 1 staple - apparently an issue with DC books of that era - thin cover stock?? kind of figure the green label is the kiss of death - getting it into a blue label even at a lower grade is probably better...and this book needs to sell so I can get closer to my desired credit at MCS for a better book!!
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I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this. 84.93K	84.93K GAC private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 7
	I think the question is not which will sell for more but more like, which is more likely to sell, period. I know for me, a green label is never purchased unless it is a green label for a signature that I believe will pass cbcs verified. The true grade, blue label, in my opinion, is always the best way to go.
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	The CGC Restored purple label for a married page does not sound right. Qualified green labels are used for anything original but married in, like a page, cover, or Tattooz insert. Are you sure there is no actual Restoration such as color touch?
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	Label colors and the specific treatment mean less (to me) than how much transparency there is (not the acetate kind). If detached and one staple then I couldn’t care less if green label, blue label, purple, yellow, orange or taupe. At least in value to me. Of course I’d need some awareness of market idiosyncrasies (irrational behaviors in particular) to understand negotiation but for me the label doesn’t dictate the value I place on the book. CGC typically grades green - that is fine if the criteria are overall transparent. Risk there is those green enough themselves to not understand what is indicated. And perhaps the colorblind. Also fine if CBCS just notes (though the lack of color differentiation is itself a risk to “noobs” or those with poor vision).
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	@KatKomics From what I've seen, a Qualified or Restored CGC label usually sells for about half the price of Universal. Except on major keys and then it goes up.
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past performance is no guarantee of future actions. 32.89K	32.89K KatKomics private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Quote: Originally Posted by chester15 The CGC Restored purple label for a married page does not sound right. Qualified green labels are used for anything original but married in, like a page, cover, or Tattooz insert. Are you sure there is no actual Restoration such as color touch? Oops - faulty memory board!!! had to pull the books out!! JLA #2 in 6.5 is a green label (not purple!!) - 6th wrap married!! and Aquaman #4 in 9.0 cover AND 1st wrap detached at one staple I think in they both go to probably both become 6.5s but in blue labels with notations instead of dreaded green!!! - then direct to MCS!!!
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" . " 17.41K	17.41K Davethebrave private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Quote: Originally Posted by KatKomics Quote: Originally Posted by chester15 The CGC Restored purple label for a married page does not sound right. Qualified green labels are used for anything original but married in, like a page, cover, or Tattooz insert. Are you sure there is no actual Restoration such as color touch? Oops - faulty memory board!!! had to pull the books out!! JLA #2 in 6.5 is a green label (not purple!!) - 6th wrap married!! and Aquaman #4 in 9.0 cover AND 1st wrap detached at one staple I think in they both go to probably both become 6.5s but in blue labels with notations instead of dreaded green!!! - then direct to MCS!!! Why do you expect the JLA to go from green 6.5 to blue 6.5?
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past performance is no guarantee of future actions. 32.89K	32.89K KatKomics private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	@Davethebrave only because CBCS doesn't do green or purple labels and instead stays blue with notations...and unlike the Aquaman where the green grade is a fake grade I think the JLA is a 'real' grade JLA might actually bump up with a press? but I probably won't bother because of the married wrap...I do think moving from green to blue will be worth the $20 bucks or what ever it is to grade that year vs the ingrained aversion to the green label I guess it all comes down to if we think the comic market/consumer is a 'rational consumer' to use economic speak. 100% I'm potentially wrong in thinking the comic consumer is NOT a 'rational consumer' If I'm right though, I think/hope that a blue noting restoration etc. will garner more than an equivalent green - even if it's only enough to cover the grading then it's a wash - so no real high stakes here! Likewise with the Aquaman - I figure a real grade of 6.5 say would get more than a fake green grade of 9.0??? lol...too bad I don't have 2 of each with the same issues to test my theory!
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	@KatKomics your optimism knows no bounds! I think the married notation in a blue label will price same (at best) as a green label. But I hear you on no expected grade drop. Good luck!
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past performance is no guarantee of future actions. 32.89K	32.89K KatKomics private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Quote: Originally Posted by Davethebrave @KatKomics your optimism knows no bounds! lol!!
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Staple topics, nice. 3.13K	3.13K makahuka private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Nice info.
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Originally Posted by KatKomics
Sooo....I have a CGC 9.0 Aquaman #4 qualified green label because it is detached at 1 staple.
If I were to send it into CBCS to grade would it still pull a fake grade of 9.0 with the notation that it has 1 staple detached or would it get a real grade of XX?
Just thinking that if I try to sell this book it would look better in a blue label rather than green!!!

To that point I also have a JLA #2 in 6.5 with a purple CGC label - would probably sell better with blue label and notation of the married page?

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Originally Posted by KatKomics
Sooo....I have a CGC 9.0 Aquaman #4 qualified green label because it is detached at 1 staple.
If I were to send it into CBCS to grade would it still pull a fake grade of 9.0 with the notation that it has 1 staple detached or would it get a real grade of XX?
Just thinking that if I try to sell this book it would look better in a blue label rather than green!!!

To that point I also have a JLA #2 in 6.5 with a purple CGC label - would probably sell better with blue label and notation of the married page?

CGC graded books outperform CBCS graded books, pretty consistently.

One thing you could do is post up a pic of the FC & BC in the “Ask CGC” forum on the CGC forum and ask for CGC reps to ask the graders if the book would be eligible to be graded again under a Universal label.

Best case scenario is a 7.0 blue from CGC, I’d expect a 6.0….unless it’s a very cherry looking qualified 9.0.

If not, I’d leave them as is.

A blue label on the JLA 2 w/resto and married page notated won’t fetch a higher price, at least it probably wouldn’t.

Even if it did, I wouldn’t be enough to offset the additional grading costs from re-subbing it to CBCS.

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