Deciphering CGC note1994
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| I'm not familiar with how CGC does their notes, so plz forgive the ignorance... I'm looking to buy a book (9.6) that has one note "Left center front cover bend" Now if the book was CBCS I would immediately say "yay!", confidently buy it and have it pressed into a 9.8. However, I have no idea if CGC says "breaks color" when it does, and I certainly dont want the book if it has a defect like that (cant see anything in the pics, its in its "original wrapper" )  Thoughts on what exactly the cgc note means? |
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| If it breaks color they say it breaks color. | ||
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| Any idea of difference in crease vs bend? | ||
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 I had no way of knowing that 9.8 graded copies signed by Adam Hughes weren't what you were looking for.
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Quote:Originally Posted by shrewbeer With the new grading standards they are using, CGC has been hammering books that have defects that can be fixed with a press. Finger bends seems to be a popular one as well. While I won't post any conclusions it would seem that people submitting books would have a stronger incentive to pay for pressing now than they did two years ago. I could be wrong but that is my two cents. |
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| Just stupid we have to pay $10 to see notes. Love paying for notes and then losing the auction. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by Draco You could ask the seller for the notes before he auction closes. Worth a try |
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Quote:Originally Posted by poka Thats what I did. Make them pay! |
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Heres another one though (diff book) that only says "spine stresses" and this looks like it may break color (or cgc missed the blemish) |
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| I'm shocked that the notes are sometimes only one or two lines, or even three or four. Seems to me there are many more features of a book that go into grading, and yet only a handful are described in any given instance. To pay for notes adds insult to injury, so I'm a huge fan of the CBCS policy to make the notes available for free. I've decided against buying certain books because of the notes. |
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| Eh, the only CGC I ever had graded came back with no notes. | ||
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| My intent would be to buy it and ship it straight to cbcs for press and regrade in hopes of a 98. Sounds like one cant count on cgc for accurate notes dammit, I really want this book  . Would anyone else differ in opinion or am I just trying to convince myself a 98 could happen with this being the only note? |
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hard to tell from the picture but my guess is you are going to buy it no matter what  |
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| I have a comic that the note was "warping/rippling whole book" that was a 9.4...this note tells me if I would have paid $10 for pressing it would have been a 9.8. Another one graded for 9.0 with a few creases I think can be pressed out along the center and spine (not even noticeable unless I hold it at a 90 deg angle to light...not sure why it knocked the book down 0.6-0.8 pts). I have another with no visable defects and no grader notes...9.6 grade assigned...no idea what the defects are. All of these are CGC, btw...waiting for my first CBCS grading experience. So my thoughts are its very likely any "crease/dent" defect that doesn't break color and comes back a 9.6 can be pressed to a 9.8. |
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| BTW, on this subject anyone out there cracked open a CGC or CBCS case, have defects pressed out and then send it back either to the same or different company for a re-grade? Doesn't seem to be much info on this activity/practice. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by Drogio Yeah, it's called CPR (Crack, Press, Regrade). It's probably been going on since CGC did their first slab. I've decided it's not discussed much because either: 1) it doesn't pay for itself, or 2) the ones that do it are making mega bucks and are keeping tight lipped about it. This is also one of the reasons why a census cannot be totally trusted to be accurate. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Drogio I usually can't get through the day without seeing info on the practice. lol Quote: Originally Posted by Jesse_O I had CPR performed on one book, Hulk 181. It started as a 6.0 and ended a 7.0 When the time comes, it will most likely have paid for itself. I'd only CPR a book that is something I'd likely sell in the future. CPR just for the sake of MAYBE turning a 9.6 into a 9.8 isn't for me. |
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I had no way of knowing that 9.8 graded copies signed by Adam Hughes weren't what you were looking for.
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Quote:Originally Posted by MR_SigS When Joe Grisola used to press my books I had him look over some slabs I brought to NYCC on year. The only one he thought he could improve was a Black Terror # 16 CBC 8.0 Blue Label. He pressed it to a CGC 9.0 tied with one other book for highest graded. I sold it through comic connect but I still have this scan of it:  |
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| CPR is so much easier when the book has visible defects that match notes, and its fun as well! Quote: Originally Posted by MR_SigS Agreed. I Normally wouldnt, especially if it were a book I might sell, but thinking of making an exception on this one as its one that I want for myself. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Jesse_O I've done the CPR once and that was on an Amazing Spider-Man #129. I bought a CGC 9.0 from one of the LCS in my area. Upon my examination of the book through the slab, I figured it could use a press. It came back a 9.4. Unfortunately, it was in the death slab. So, I sent it CFP, then to CBCS. Thankfully, it retained the 9.4. I may send it back to CBCS for a new label. It currently has rivets. |
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| Well I pulled the trigger. Thanks to all for the dialogue! Made the seller pay for the notes and beat him up pretty good on the price. I talked to Steve and I'll be sending her in for a CBCS press and slab. All in all its a good gamble; even if it comes back still 9.6 I'll only be into it for under $390 all totaled. If she comes back 9.8, then yeehaw!  |
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| Look at it this way, that's less than $200 per glute! Quote: Originally Posted by shrewbeer |
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Quote:Originally Posted by shrewbeer Yes. If paper is creased, a crease by definition will break the inks. A bend is just that.Take a $1 book and bend it.It will only break color if you press it on a flat surface and forcibly exert enough pressure to cause a crease (a visible seperation in the inks). Your book has a white cover to begin with, and white covers are good for lessening the visual impact of pressed out spine ticks because there is next to no cover inks to break. And as the notes say the bend is on the front cover (not whole book), the back cover (presumable most or all interior pages as well) are not impacted by the bend. Based on the note, and the fact the book has a white cover background, I'd bet that a CPR will bring the book up to a 9.8. |
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I had no way of knowing that 9.8 graded copies signed by Adam Hughes weren't what you were looking for.
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Quote:Originally Posted by CopperAgeKids Unless the grader wakes up on the wrong side of the bed. |
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