Archie #1 - CGC graded it 1.0, thoughts?19802
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| @writerwill CGC is good too. Many will tell you CGC is the best. I like cgc...I have lots of cgc books.....most of my collection is in cbcs slabs though. cgc had about a 15 year head start over cbcs so most books that have already been slabbed are in cgc holders. Grade screen is a way to go as well but you're continuing to put money into the book (which if money is no object then that doesn't really matter). I think the smart thing is to go with the consensus in this thread but ofcourse the decision is yours. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by writerwillCGC holds a market premium. It's possible you would make more money as a 1.0 CGC with cover appeal than you would a 1.8 CBCS. Plus someone in the market for an Archie 1 is buying the book and not the slab regardless of the grading company. |
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| Thank you both, @GAC and @drmccoy74! I really appreciate your suggestions and feedback. | ||
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drmccoy74 private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by writerwillbesides that book is worth a minimum of 12K in your hands now. Your risking further damage and further risk sending it around. Enjoy the book and when your ready to sell make sure your insured |
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Quote:Originally Posted by writerwill Quote: Originally Posted by ComicHoarder You can't ask this question on the CGC forum (boards). |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Jesse_O If you refer to CBCS as “Voldemort”, you can ask that question. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by DrWatson No argument there, it’s a ridiculous rule. CGC doesn’t want discussion of the only other comic grading company that competes with CGC. You would have to crop out the label of the CBCS slab, to post pictures of the slab for feedback. Even than, a CGC mod may be reactionary enough to delete the post/thread. Personally, I think mods on both boards tend to be somewhat overzealous on certain topics. Especially pressing technique discussion. Discussion of Heat Overlay Press and Blue Light treatments are the kiss of death on both boards, unfortunately. |
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| In the end it's a business Bro and the Mods have to do their job. You know the deal. | ||
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| Both @DrWatson and @GAC have stated that CBCS grading is more accurate (rather than tighter, as I proposed) Funny enough, their statements actually support getting the book regraded by CBCS because the OP, @writerwill, feels that the book was inaccurately under graded. |
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GAC private msg quote post Address this user | |
| The OP may think the book is inaccurately graded....I don't. I think the book is a 1.0 which is why I suggested he keep it in the cgc slab. PS. While I do believe cbcs is the more accurate grading company compared to cgc.....this does not mean I think cgc is wrong 100% of the time. Cgc's grade accuracy rate is probably pretty high....I just think cbcs's is higher. |
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| @GAC I agree. I think the cgc's train of thought would be that they draw more bees with honey. Higher grades equal more submissions. My question would be, "Who wants to pay more for an over-graded book?" I'm not saying that all their books are over-graded, but I feel I have to look at them closely before making a purchase. |
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| @writerwill Brittle Pages is a grade killer and unfortunately the factor in the low grade of your book. While you're certainly welcome to do what you want, you're not likely to get a grade higher than the 1.0 due to the brittle pages. If it were me, I'd keep it in the slab it's in. My grandmother used to say, "don't throw good money after bad." I offer that pearl of wisdom in this situation. Which is odd because my grandmother's name was Pearl. |
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GAC private msg quote post Address this user | |
| @DrWatson Right....In my opinion, CGC has a more traditional corporate mindset...bees & honey like you said where CBCS, while still very much a corporation, still has traces of a hobby-friendly mindset. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by DrWatson Quote: Originally Posted by GAC The proverb is actually “you catch more flies with honey...”, not bees. Just sayin 🤷🏻♂️ |
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GAC private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by CaptainCanuck It is eh? Well I'm very prouda you. |
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Thanks, all. I am still debating whether to just keep in the CGC slab, or submit to CBCS. I will sleep on it  |
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Quote:Originally Posted by GAC  |
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Quote:Originally Posted by CaptainCanuck I know what it is. I prefer bees over flies. Flies typically land on shit. Bees are a bit more dignified. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by writerwill This person has worked at CBCS since its inception. He has been a grader and is now the head paper mechanic, i.e. presser. I'm not telling you what to do by any means, but his advice on the the subject might just be the best you'll get on any forum. Quote: Originally Posted by SteveRicketts |
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Quote:Originally Posted by DrWatson Okay. Not sure if I believe that you knew it was wrong and used it anyway. But it’s a very common misinterpretation of the saying. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by writerwill Quote: Originally Posted by HooperSchaefer I agree, would think that multiple missing pieces would drive the grade down more than brittle pages. |
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| Flies. Bees. Whatever. All I have left to say on the subject is that if Angelo asked me to ship books to Canada, I'd do it. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by DrWatson You’re a good man, Watson. I wouldn’t even ship books to Canada. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by GAC @GAC and Forum Folks - When did CGC start appropriately accounting for brittleness in grading? Historically, they had not. I've been hammering CGC on this for many years, see this ancient market report. And this one. Here I go into detail about how CBCS went a long way to help further define low-end grading when they introduced INC 0.3 and INC 0.1 grades (bravo!), although it's still not defined well enough (long story for another day). CGC will follow at some point, they really have to. If, for anything below 0.5, you don't assign a numeric value, you are leaving out extremely valuable information for both buyers and sellers. Anybody can tap out and just say "No Grade". That's not what I'm paying for when I send a book in. In hindsight, as I scan those old reports, maybe I was hard on CGC, given how nice some of those brittle books appear otherwise. I'm really curious what some of the group here thinks - should there be a grade cap on brittle books? If so, what do you think it should be? IMO it's a valuable sign of personal growth when you can look back at something you were adamant about, and say "wow was I wrong about that!". My feeling has always been that comic books begin decomposing the day they are printed, and brittle books have way more than one foot in the grave. @writerwill - Any blue label Archie #1 is just a monster of a book, congrats. You got great advice from this group, no surprise, good people. |
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| @TommyJasmin I personally am fine with Brittle Pages only being a page designation and not affecting the overall Grade (in a vacuum). But with Brittle Pages comes chipping, so there’s sort-of a Catch-22 there because I would expect to see some pieces missing from the edges and corners of pages driving the grade down. If I bought a slabbed book with Brittle Pages I personally would be scared to re-slab it because I am just imagining the seal to the inner well being broken and everything immediately disintegrating into dust. Very limited Golden Age for me… |
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Quote:Originally Posted by ComicHoarder This |
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Quote:Originally Posted by HooperSchaefer @HooperSchaefer - thx for the insight. I have seen slabbed brittle books with chips and debris loose inside the slab, so I get that. It sounds like you are saying "no grade knockdown for brittle pages" but only if the book is securely slabbed? Interesting. I've just always been in the camp that says page quality should be considered a defect with some effect on grade once a severity threshold is passed. In other words, I would not lower a grade for "off-white" pages. For "tan" pages, IMO if the book is very high grade, it should lower the grade some. If the book is otherwise very low grade, no effect. I've got this really brittle old issue of Fight Comics around somewhere, and once in awhile me and my friends pull it out and notice how much more crud accumulates at the bottom of the bag, just from handling it a little. We joke about (but honestly, consider) sending it in to see how, say, CBCS would handle it? Would they pour those chips from the bottom of the bag into the well, to include the "entire submission" ?  |
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GAC private msg quote post Address this user | |
| @TommyJasmin Further regarding brittle pages designation. The entire book does not need to be brittle to get this designation. A small portion of the book might be brittle and the rest not be brittle but the book will get the brittle designation. | ||
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writerwill private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Thank you, all. I guess I will hold onto it for now as a 1.0. At least it has great eye appeal! | ||
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