Is there a rejection fee for failed signature verification?19794
 It's like the Roach Motel for comic collectors.
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chester15 private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by flanders I don't think he cares if people side with him or not. And he has no need to reconsider his approach. It's working fine. If verified, all good. If not, Beckett and the cc company team up to correct the "problem". Win-win. |
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 Masculinity takes a holiday.
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EbayMafia private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by chester15 To be fair, it sounds like it was the first time facing dealing with signature verification failure. We have some experience on this forum having to talk people down off the ledge after the shock and disappointment of a first verification failure. We typically do it by lobbing verbal grenades at them until they come to their senses and climb down. |
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 I'd like to say I still turned out alright, but that would be a lie.
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Quote:Originally Posted by EbayMafia It would still be interesting to see what book was signed. Maybe CBCS is less likely to authenticate a Stan Lee sig on some $5 rubbish. I've seen far too much dreck with his signature on it in CGC yellow slabs and never understood why people are willing to pay so much for them. This for example:  |
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It's like the Roach Motel for comic collectors.
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chester15 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I guess if you want an authentic Stan Lee signature on the cheap, not having to also pay up for a comic that is expensive in itself, that's one way to do it. And how many gorgeous covers did Stan Lee's Rorschach-like signature ruin? Maybe better to have them separately - cheapo book with Stan Lee signature, clean expensive book. |
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Davethebrave private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by chester15 Relatively inexpensive book. Stan sig on back cover. Exceptionally rare?  |
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 would be nice to have a snugger fit.
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| In trying to find out how things work at CBCS, since it's not on the web site... I asked her to direct me to the part of the website or submission form that states there is a rejection fee for VSP. She previously stated she refunded the fee I was asking about (I didn't ask her to), but I said while I don't see it, I don't really need it. I'm just asking why they charge it in the first place, and why they don't tell you they're going to. Her response is bolded below. Also, I asked about multiple signatures. I read somewhere else long ago that if you have 10 sigs and the first one fails, they stop verifying because they consider them all failed. But they still charge you the fees for all 10 even though they don't look at them. She confirmed this. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Hey T, I processed the refund for the $8 yesterday, it would have taken up to 48 hours for it to show up on your statement. If it doesn't, please let me know. In regard to the reject fee, our website FAQ's explain a reject fee as it pertains to a failed grade/press screen, please see below. This service allows you to select a minimum grade you would like to have your book certified at. If your book is determined by CBCS to be below the grade you have selected, your book will be returned in its raw state and an $8 fee will be charged for the screening service. If your book meets the minimum grade, it will be certified and placed into a CBCS case with no additional fees. Am I charged for services if an autographed comic fails the authentication/verification process? Yes, since the autographs are examined and services/opinions rendered, there is a full charge for the service (pass or fail). Please see the above information regarding failed verification and the fees we charge. While we have always charged for rejection fees when the books fail VSP, I have been told that the policy is in the process of being changed, so that's why I refunded the rejection fee from the failed VSP books. As I stated before, you would be charged for all the fees even upon failed verification, since one signature fails on the book, they all fail. I hope this helps. If you have any further questions, please let me know. Thanks! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The bolded text above is trying to explain that since there is a rejection fee for press screen and grade screen, that somehow covers VSP rejection too. Just an informative post for anyone questioning this, or who wants a refund... they probably need to ask. She says they've always charged a rejection fee, they've just never said so on the web site. |
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I'd like to say I still turned out alright, but that would be a lie.
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Quote:Originally Posted by Sigur_Ros If accurate, which I find hard to believe since it makes no sense, that's disturbing.... |
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would be nice to have a snugger fit.
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Sigur_Ros private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by flanders Agreed. But they charge you $30 to verify a sig. If it fails, they keep the money. Of course, since that's the charge for the service. But then they charge another $8 on top of that because it failed. So if we're keeping a list of things that don't make sense... |
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 Hmm... Moderated again!
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| Signature verification is $30 success or failure. The submitter must choose beforehand if encapsulation is to proceed in cases where signature verification fails. If encapsulation is chosen, then they charge as normal per tier. If encapsulation is rejected when signature verification fails, then they charge an $8 per book rejection fee. I believe it's the same $8 rejection fee as when a book is not encapsulated because of a grade screen failure. | ||
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 I'm waiting.... (tapping fingers).Splotches is gettin old! |
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| Since Stan's sad passing, I have remained in utter shock of the value of signed comics by him. There's always a value surge when someone passes, but it's usually temporary while on the minds of folks. Stan, despite the thousands and thousands and thousands of books he signed still remain so much more value. And yet there are solicited hardcovers, TPBs, posters, and other memorabilia that were sold from the distributor as signed by Stan that just sit there unsold at much lower prices. I'll never truly understand collecting habits. |
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 I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this.
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GAC private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by flanders I don't believe this. |
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Masculinity takes a holiday.
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EbayMafia private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I might be the only one, but I can understand why a rejected signature that declines grading and encapsulation would cost $8 more than a rejected signature book that proceeds with grading and encapsulation. | ||
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It's like the Roach Motel for comic collectors.
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chester15 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| In my view, they aren't using logic. They are in the habit of charging a fee for a rejected grade screen, so they think they are being consistent by charging a fee for a rejected signature. But they are comparing apples to oranges. The grade screen involved work determining whether it meets the grade, which is probably about as much work as to grade it normally. And now you don't want to encapsulate, so you owe for the "look-see" appraisal. Not going to look at it for free. That's normal, charge a fee. The signature verification is a separate process from grading, and whether or not it passes, they did the work to find out. And they collect for that. Now they want to collect for not encapsulating, for which they did absolutely no work that wasn't already paid for. This is in direct contrast to the cursory evaluation for the grade screen. If there is no work, there should be no charge. They might be finally realizing this and that is why the policy may be changing. They are just slow on the uptake. But it pays to be slow. |
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would be nice to have a snugger fit.
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Sigur_Ros private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by chester15 As you said, for screenings there is an $8 fee. If they pass then the $8 rolls into full grading or pressing. For VSP they are fully paid for the work (for all sigs even if they don't look at all sigs), why would they need an additional $8 on top? Only reason would be 'cuz they have to share most of the VSP fee with Beckett and they want a bigger cut. Just a few more bucks made from the submission. Quote: Originally Posted by chester15 Hard to say. In my experience, along with a lot of posts on these boards and elsewhere over the years, it could be that CS just doesn't know and they're giving lip service. In the same email exchange the CS had apologized for a previous CS telling me something completely wrong. This was also happening back when I was asking about unused vouchers when the new pricing tiers were introduced. Never the same answer from two different people. Then to answer "where does it state a VSP rejection fee?" with "Right here, under grade/press screening" and me replying with "so... it doesn't", I'm guessing the CS agent realized it makes no sense so they claim "they're working on it". On the plus side... at least they're responding. I expected to pay all the VSP fees since I watched Todd and Stan sign it. They're legit. And I knew when one fails "they all fail" so they stop looking. I just didn't know they still charged for all sigs as if they were all checked when they weren't. I'm not upset over any of this, just seems it should be mentioned...somewhere. So for me, the bigger question was why aren't the VSP rejection fee, or the fact that they keep all VSP fees no matter which sig fails... mentioned on the web site or submission form. Since CS doesn't know, and there is no staff to help on the forums...  |
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figment private msg quote post Address this user | |
One failed, one passed. It seems to disagree with the statement, "...they stop verifying because they consider them all failed." |
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would be nice to have a snugger fit.
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Sigur_Ros private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by figment So you're saying the things they do and the things they say don't jive? Shocker.  |
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figment private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by Sigur_Ros You should send Cynthia that yellow label image and ask for a clarification... cause she's probably not going to see it here. |
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would be nice to have a snugger fit.
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Sigur_Ros private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by figment My question was about books submitted now, not 2018. |
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figment private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by Sigur_Ros If the policy has truly changed, then I'd go around it by submitting a book with multiple signatures once for each signature. Once you get a yellow label for one of them, they'll add to it with each subsequent result. Of course that's easy for me to say as we're DFW local and have no shipping expenses for either CBCS or MCS but still, they'd hear my displeasure with that policy at every drop-off, and at every pickup. |
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It's like the Roach Motel for comic collectors.
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chester15 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| And you're paying slabbing costs each time, no? | ||
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Masculinity takes a holiday.
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EbayMafia private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Since it is Beckett verification service, Maybe they are submitted by CBCS simultaneously? | ||
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would be nice to have a snugger fit.
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Sigur_Ros private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by figment Well that's just crazy enough to work. |
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EbayMafia private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by figment Quote: Originally Posted by chester15 lol. "Sir, will you be conveying your displeasure today with a check, or credit card?" |
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