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would be nice to have a snugger fit. 4.06K	4.06K Sigur_Ros private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 3
	Quote: Originally Posted by Murm If the Stan Lee signed book that failed authentication is sent back to CBCS with the accompanying JSA letter will CBCS acknowledge that and pass the sig? No.
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	Gotcha thanks @Sigur_Ros for the response. Thought there might be some reciprocation with sig verifiers. Perhaps with others but not between CBCS and JSA.
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	Quote: Originally Posted by Murm Gotcha thanks @Sigur_Ros for the response. Thought there might be professional reciprocation with sig verifiers. Perhaps with others but not between CBCS and JSA. To be honest...it's not good practice for one authentication company to accept another authentication company's opinion on this type of stuff. CBCS wouldn't accept CGCs grade for a book or vice versa....they would and should independently evaluate the object in question.
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	Quote: Originally Posted by DrWatson Send it back. Once you go PGX... you'll go broke. Ebay will be on seller's side once the PGX slab is gone. So depends on seller
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	Quote: Originally Posted by xkonk Looks like I get to ask "what would you do". The X-Men 1 I got on eBay was originally graded by PGX. It's coming back from CBCS as having a trimmed cover. Would I be a jerk for doing a return or asking for a partial refund? I asked the seller before bidding if he bought the book graded or not and he said he did, so presumably he didn't know about any missed restoration. Sorry to hear. Out of curiosity - Do you know when was the book was graded by PGX?
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	Quote: Originally Posted by GAC Return it: item not as described. That's a big book and you likely would not have bought it....at the very least, not paid what you did if you knew it was trimmed. Book was as described until the slab was removed
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	Quote: Originally Posted by drmccoy74 Quote: Originally Posted by esaravo I have purchased several books from High Grade Comics over the years. They say on their site that they have a no restoration policy. Well one of the books I purchased several years was a lower grade Hulk #6. At the time, there was a huge backlog for pressing and grading. I had the book pressed by Avery Pressing and then submitted it to CBCS for grading. It came back as trimmed. There were other books in that order that I also purchased with the Hulk #6. None of them came back as restored. So I contacted Bob at High Grade Comics and sent him pictures of the slab and it’s label saying trimmed. He told me to send him back the slabbed book and he would refund me my original purchase price. I said what about shipping costs, pressing costs, grading costs? He said they only refund the original purchase price, so I kept the book and eventually traded it. Unfortunately, it’s not the first or last time I have received books back from CBCS that were found to be restored in some way. I have gotten burned more than once by Metropolis. Like you I found out later on about the restoration. Nothing I could do except not buy from them anymore and pass on the information. Yes - need to be careful. The grades they provide are qualified grades (eg missing pages etc)
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	Quote: Originally Posted by DrWatson @xkonk I'm sorry you got pipped. Jokingly, send it back to PGX and see if it gets the same designation. It might not - I feel really depends when originally book was graded
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	Quote: Originally Posted by poka Quote: Originally Posted by GAC Return it: item not as described. That's a big book and you likely would not have bought it....at the very least, not paid what you did if you knew it was trimmed. Book was as described until the slab was removed That is very true but ultimately proven false. In my opinion, the seller, while innocent in the knowledge of the trimmed book is last owner of the book before this revelation. The buyer certainly did not expect to be purchasing a trimmed book.
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	Quote: Originally Posted by GAC Quote: Originally Posted by poka Quote: Originally Posted by GAC Return it: item not as described. That's a big book and you likely would not have bought it....at the very least, not paid what you did if you knew it was trimmed. Book was as described until the slab was removed That is very true but ultimately proven false. In my opinion, the seller, while innocent in the knowledge of the trimmed book is last owner of the book before this revelation. The buyer certainly did not expect to be purchasing a trimmed book. It was a pgx graded xxx which buyer (generalizing) received so buyer received what he/she paid for. Once buyer removes the slab then ebay would be on seller's side if buyer opens a not as describe case. That certain sellers might accommodate a claim after a book turns up restored is a different story
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	For slabs of this type might wish to consider to have the book inspected while in the slab - but it is always easy to be smart afterwards
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	Quote: Originally Posted by poka Quote: Originally Posted by GAC Quote: Originally Posted by poka Quote: Originally Posted by GAC Return it: item not as described. That's a big book and you likely would not have bought it....at the very least, not paid what you did if you knew it was trimmed. Book was as described until the slab was removed That is very true but ultimately proven false. In my opinion, the seller, while innocent in the knowledge of the trimmed book is last owner of the book before this revelation. The buyer certainly did not expect to be purchasing a trimmed book. It was a pgx graded xxx which buyer (generalizing) received so buyer received what he/she paid for. Once buyer removes the slab then ebay would be on seller's side if buyer opens a not as describe case. That certain sellers might accommodate a claim after a book turns up restored is a different story I agree that eBay will side with the seller and not the buyer....but my opinion is that the seller should take the book back for selling a trimmed book whether he knew it was trimmed or not.....this being said, I'd place a statute of limitations on this....if this was a recent transaction, the seller should take it back.
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	Quote: Originally Posted by GAC the seller should take the book back for selling a trimmed book Is it possible that CBCS is wrong?
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	Quote: Originally Posted by flanders Quote: Originally Posted by GAC the seller should take the book back for selling a trimmed book Is it possible that CBCS is wrong? Is it possible? Yes....but what's more likely...PGX got it right or CBCS got it right?
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If I could, I would. I swear. 50.38K	50.38K DrWatson private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 3
	Quote: Originally Posted by flanders Quote: Originally Posted by GAC the seller should take the book back for selling a trimmed book Is it possible that CBCS is wrong? I'm not sure wrong is the right word, but I'm not sure what the right word would be. If the corner of the cover had been cut with a pair of scissors, it wouldn't be trimmed. It would have been cut. I don't think the book was cut to improve the grade. I think it was cut because someone just cut it. Along the same lines of little brothers cutting the hair off their sister's Barbie doll. Deduct the grade accordingly and move along.
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	Stupid question on my part. What if he tore that corner off? It would be considered universal right? If he folded it and tore that edge he would get hammered for the missing piece but no restored designation.
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	@Bronte not a stupid question at all (unless we're both stupid). If he knew where the trimming was he could probably tear that whole portion off and get a universal grade. That's why I agree with @DrWatson that this shouldn't be considered trimmed if it's only a small portion of the front cover and nothing else on the book. Are we sure it's even going to be given a restored grade? Even if the notes indicate trimming could it still be given a universal grade?
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If I could, I would. I swear. 50.38K	50.38K DrWatson private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	For restoration, I think there needs to be an intent to improve.
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	Quote: Originally Posted by GAC Quote: Originally Posted by Murm Gotcha thanks @Sigur_Ros for the response. Thought there might be professional reciprocation with sig verifiers. Perhaps with others but not between CBCS and JSA. To be honest...it's not good practice for one authentication company to accept another authentication company's opinion on this type of stuff. CBCS wouldn't accept CGCs grade for a book or vice versa....they would and should independently evaluate the object in question. I agree with not accepting another company’s grade but sig verification maybe? I thought there might be a universal database of sig examples that all the companies work from to determine authenticity. With this example CBCS says no and JSA says yes. I imagine the owner would prefer to have a slabbed authenticated sig as opposed to a raw authenticated one.
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	Quote: Originally Posted by Murm Quote: Originally Posted by GAC Quote: Originally Posted by Murm Gotcha thanks @Sigur_Ros for the response. Thought there might be professional reciprocation with sig verifiers. Perhaps with others but not between CBCS and JSA. To be honest...it's not good practice for one authentication company to accept another authentication company's opinion on this type of stuff. CBCS wouldn't accept CGCs grade for a book or vice versa....they would and should independently evaluate the object in question. I agree with not accepting another company’s grade but sig verification maybe? I thought there might be a universal database of sig examples that all the companies work from to determine authenticity. With this example CBCS says no and JSA says yes. I imagine the owner would prefer to have a slabbed authenticated sig as opposed to a raw authenticated one. It's quite possible both/all companies are referencing the same signature examples to make their assessment but the quality or accuracy of their assessment is what likely differs...this is why they should conduct their own assessments.
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	Quote: Originally Posted by poka Quote: Originally Posted by xkonk Looks like I get to ask "what would you do". The X-Men 1 I got on eBay was originally graded by PGX. It's coming back from CBCS as having a trimmed cover. Would I be a jerk for doing a return or asking for a partial refund? I asked the seller before bidding if he bought the book graded or not and he said he did, so presumably he didn't know about any missed restoration. Sorry to hear. Out of curiosity - Do you know when was the book was graded by PGX? The label says 2016. The date might be inflated though, who's to say.
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	@xkonk thanks that was about the time of the pizza boys controversy if i recall correctly. i would like to think that pgx has gotten better the last couple of years
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	What's the pizza boys controversy?
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	Quote: Originally Posted by Gaard What's the pizza boys controversy? Use link for old thread. clickable text
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would be nice to have a snugger fit.

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Originally Posted by Murm

I agree with not accepting another company’s grade but sig verification maybe? I thought there might be a universal database of sig examples that all the companies work from to determine authenticity.

Even if they shared data, it's the interpretation of the data that matters. People interpret things differently. If the first guy gets it wrong, then it would never be corrected.

CBCS has rejected good sigs and verified fake ones. It's all just "best guess" circumstances.

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Originally Posted by Murm
With this example CBCS says no and JSA says yes.

A lot of people, including me, have an example where CBCS said no, but Stan Lee said yes... by signing it.

Just the way it goes.

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	@Sigur_Ros I agree on all your points. I also believe that the Stan Lee sig is legit and I have not even seen it. I’m putting a little faith in the COA. If I’m not mistaken is it true that CBCS will honor a CGC witnessed sig as legit? I know it’s not the same as the example here just that they will accept them to some degree. Sigs are kind of a deal with me. I don’t chase them now but I used to. Have a short box of signed books from 30 years ago that I am so far 5 for 5 with verification from CBCS. This might sound crazy but I expect any more that I send in to pass as well. I personally had them signed so I expect the pros to be able to correctly verify them when the time comes. But for all I know maybe Monks bumped Linsner while signing my Cry for Dawns and that skewed the sig just enough for CBCS to say nope we don’t like it-rejected. I might find out someday. I love this hobby.
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	And @xkonk what a bummer about the issue with your X-Men 1. Stinks that PGX missed the trimming. Hope you still made out OK with it.
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	I thought foxing is the result of oxidation of the materials found in paper of the era.....is this correct? If this is true, from a grade perspective, shouldn't foxing be treated like a manufacturing error...meaning little to no impact on the grade? Or is foxing a result of foreign matter introduced after manufacturing?
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I live in RI and Rhode Islanders eat chili with beans. 93.7K	93.7K esaravo private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 4
	@GAC - I believe that foxing is usually a result of less than ideal storage conditions. So not all copies of a book, no matter how old, will show foxing.
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