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 would be nice to have a snugger fit.
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Quote:Originally Posted by Bronte Correct. Like I said above, it's not the same item anymore. No one owes him the return. All he can do is ask, and learn from it. |
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 I've spent years perfecting my brand of assholery.
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Quote:Originally Posted by Bronte Well... a raw book isn't the same once it's been pressed, cleaned, and graded. We might see it as improved, but other collectors might not. I wouldn't have bought it in the first place, too many first hand experiences watching friends get burned. That said, I would still contact the seller. Maybe he knew upfront what he had. The answer's no until you ask. |
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| @xkonk I'm sorry you got pipped. Jokingly, send it back to PGX and see if it gets the same designation. |
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 If the viagra is working you should be well over a 9.8.
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| To put in my own two cents: I'm perfectly aware of PGX's reputation and knew I was rolling the dice. I did take the step of asking the seller if they submitted the book themselves or bought it that way, and if they were aware of any restoration or the like. They said they bought it graded and that there was no restoration or so on. So I took the risk in bidding the minimum and figured I was doing well even if the grade dropped so long as the book didn't have missed restoration. This is why I'm leaning toward not doing anything about it. On the other hand, the seller is listing a 5.5 unrestored X-Men 1, and told me in a message that there was no restoration. I did not get that; I got a 4.0 trimmed X-Men 1. So as far as it goes, I did not get what I was buying. This is why I can see some justification for at least asking for a partial refund. But on the whole, I'm thinking I will let it lie. Which I guess makes my follow-up question, does anyone have GPA for restored/trimmed X-Men 1 in VG? |
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If the viagra is working you should be well over a 9.8.
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Quote:Originally Posted by drmccoy74 The right side. I assume someone tried to make the chipping look less bad, but I have no idea. Here are the notes: Notes: right edge of front cover trimmed spine stress & small spine corner wear breaks color front cover rust bottom staple, 2/3" stain bottom right corner through book, light stains & foxing to cover creases to cover some breaks color front cover Marvel chipping right edge front cover, tiny production tears & few tiny production chips to other edges of cover |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Davethebrave Yea, that was me. Just an update- eBay refused the return only because it was past the 30 day return period. I filed a dispute with credit card. I won the case. But since I live by the Ft. Lauderdale JSA office, I brought it in and had them verify the stan lee signature. They confirmed it to be authentic, so I dropped the case and kept the book. |
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 I'm not a plagiarist. I'm also not illiterate.
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| @xkonk yeah Looks like they hit it with scissors top right  |
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 The apple sauce and pudding were the best part...
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Bronte private msg quote post Address this user | |
| @xkonk I tried to narrow it down to just the ones that said trimmed. If you need a more exhausting search just ask   |
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| I'm not sure I would even call that trimming. I'd call that cut with scissors and factor it in with the grade. | ||
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If the viagra is working you should be well over a 9.8.
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| thanks @Bronte . None of those prices are especially confidence-raising, but they're also pretty old. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by multi007 Odd, given what you previously posted (below). You said you called and stopped the dispute. Based on your own post it seemed as though you didn’t actually “send” the proof. Also, a failure to authenticate is not proof of forgery. Or was the CC company rep completely incompetent and interpreted a failed authentication as a “verified forgery.” Wouldn’t entirely surprise me but still doesn’t mean a) what you did was right or b) it is repeatable. “ Fast forward to today - Credit card company said I win the dispute when I send them the proof the autograph is not authentic. JSA says its authentic. Beckett says its not. So I decided to contact the CC company and stop the dispute, emailed the seller of the comic book and told him the same thing.” |
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| @Davethebrave I get that you are against returns. But how do my two posts differ again? i fail to see how my two posts contradict each other... "Yea, that was me. Just an update- eBay refused the return only because it was past the 30 day return period. I filed a dispute with credit card. I won the case. But since I live by the Ft. Lauderdale JSA office, I brought it in and had them verify the stan lee signature. They confirmed it to be authentic, so I dropped the case and kept the book." "“ Fast forward to today - Credit card company said I win the dispute when I send them the proof the autograph is not authentic. JSA says its authentic. Beckett says its not. So I decided to contact the CC company and stop the dispute, emailed the seller of the comic book and told him the same thing.”" |
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would be nice to have a snugger fit.
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Quote:Originally Posted by xkonk As a disappointed buyer, I get your point...but as an outsider, the problem is, you took the book out of one slab and put it in another. You've tampered with the item, so to speak. It's an easy out for both the seller and eBay. |
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If the viagra is working you should be well over a 9.8.
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| @Sigur_Ros yeah, I get that too. I'll just hold on to this one. Pretty disappointed. | ||
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| LoL at me being against returns. Your posts are completely contradictory as-written. In one you state the condition from the cc company - sending proof. In the same post you say that you then contacted them to end the dispute. In your other post you say you “won the case.” Was there some intermediate step you left out where you sent them proof that the signature is not authentic? Ie that it is a forgery. If so you left it out and instead implied that proof was never sent. If you sent them the info of the failed authentication and they accepted it as proof of forgery, they are idiots (see my post above). In either case, what you previously wrote suggested proof was never sent and you ended the dispute (the fact it was still a “dispute” meant it was not already resolved in your favor). Quote: Originally Posted by multi007 |
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| I see. I wasnt giving a play by play - just the main points for ease of flow. Here are the details: 1. As you know, I bought a book on ebay - "Stan Lee Collectibles" signed by Stan Lee, with the hologram COA sticker and everything. Looked legit. 2. Sent the book to CBCS Beckett for grading and authentication. 3. Book came back rejected as "not authentic". 4. Contacted seller to begin return. Seller refuse. Same day, contacted ebay to start "Item not as described" return. Ebay refuse saying it was past their 30 day return. 5. Contacted CC company to dispute charge. 6. 60 days later - WHILE the CC was still in dispute process, I brought book to JSA in Ft Lauderdale to get a 2nd opinion. Paid $40 I think for it. 7. WHILE JSA had the book, I got a letter from the CC company saying if i can prove to them that this autograph is not authentic, I win the case and get my money back. 8. THEN a few days later, I got the JSA letter stating the book was authentic, complete with Letter of Authenticity. 9. At that point, I had a choice to make. Do I send the CC company the Beckett letter showing it is not authentic and get my money back (which i would also mail the book back to the seller), or do I keep the book, with the JSA letter of authenticity. 10. I chose to keep the book and I notified the CC Company to withdraw the dispute. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by multi007 I REALLY didn't want to get involved in this discussion, but my curiosity is too much. Did the Beckett letter state that the signature is not authentic or that they couldn't verify it? There's a big difference between the two. Could you possibly share a copy of the letter? |
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| @multi007 I will let your words above rest. They align perfectly with my statements above. You never won the case. | ||
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| @Jesse_O I dont have it in front of me (not home right now) but I THINK it said "rejected"... | ||
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| @Jesse_O Duh - i just checked my invoice on the website, it says rejected. | ||
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| @multi007 Rejecting / not authenticating is not the same as a statement that something is not authentic. Proof that something is not authentic would be a statement of forgery. The fact JSA authenticated should demonstrate the risk of Beckett ever calling out something as a forgery… which I am guessing they did not do here. Nevermind the moral implications of sending proof* when another authenticator says it is authentic. * not that what you have is proof |
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The apple sauce and pudding were the best part...
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Bronte private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by DrWatson If you can't return tbe book exactly the way you got it then it's your problem not the sellers in my opinion. That goes for pressing or any other enhancements or techniques. In theory, you bought as is. Not what if? Again this is my opinion. I may be wrong, but that would be my stance if i was seller. |
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| @Davethebrave I can see your point. Im not a scammer and I believe in karma, so even though I "Could have" got my money back, I chose to keep the book. | ||
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| If the Stan Lee signed book that failed authentication is sent back to CBCS with the accompanying JSA letter will CBCS acknowledge that and pass the sig? | ||
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would be nice to have a snugger fit.
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Quote:Originally Posted by Murm No. |
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| Gotcha thanks @Sigur_Ros for the response. Thought there might be some reciprocation with sig verifiers. Perhaps with others but not between CBCS and JSA. |
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 I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this.
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Quote:Originally Posted by Murm To be honest...it's not good practice for one authentication company to accept another authentication company's opinion on this type of stuff. CBCS wouldn't accept CGCs grade for a book or vice versa....they would and should independently evaluate the object in question. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by DrWatson Ebay will be on seller's side once the PGX slab is gone. So depends on seller |
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Quote:Originally Posted by xkonk Sorry to hear. Out of curiosity - Do you know when was the book was graded by PGX? |
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