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| Some people believe the first generation labels from the cgc (where you couldn't read shit without a magnifying glass) have magical powers, especially the red ones. | ||
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Travis private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Some people believe news stands are more valuable than direct markets depending on certain years | ||
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 Suck it up, buttercup!!
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KatKomics private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by DrWatson I have 1 of those red ones!! never knew it had magic!!!! I think converting from CBCS Red Label to CBCS Yellow for verified would actually increase the value - red = bad!!! |
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 I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this.
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GAC private msg quote post Address this user | |
| The only way those older labels command more money is if the buyer believes the grading company graded more harshly back then and maybe book wasn't pressed, and intend to crack out to hopefully get a grade bump. | ||
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Travis private msg quote post Address this user | |
| what if it’s already a 9.8 in an older case label just a example. It don’t even have to be 9.8 so you got two 7.5 same comic ones in a old case and label ones in a new case new label same comic so one comic is worth more because it’s newer case or is one comic worth less because of a old case. Or are both comics worth the same exact amount | ||
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Travis private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Now what if I told you there were only 50 old labels of that comic that’s in a 7.5 only 50 people can own have one but 1/50 but there are 4k of the other 7.5 comics out there 1/4000 are they still the same price | ||
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James42 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| @Travis Yes, because the book is what matters. Not the label. | ||
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Travis private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Same can go for variant covers is manufactured, scarcity newsstand versus direct additions it’s the same. Look I don’t have a dog in this fight all my books are last gen labels there’s a whole bunch of em floating around out there nothing rare about them but some of y’all might need to rethink the reholdeing of the older slabs if the do become more rare less of them out there I would hate to see some of y’all leave a bunch of money on the table | ||
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I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this.
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GAC private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I can't speak for all collectors but I would not pay more for an older or newer cbcs/cgc label. I have a preference for labels...I like ones over others but that doesn't translate to a higher spending price (speaking for me only). I'm sure most collectors would agree. |
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SidTheSquid private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by GAC Same here. Actually...I'd pay less for an older label if it's an online purchase. I've seen some old label CGC and CBCS books that have made me think grading has gotten stricter over time. |
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If I could, I would. I swear.
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DrWatson private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by SidTheSquid I have to disagree there. The cgc started out grading fairly strict. They go through cycles of tighter and looser grading, but their overall grading guidelines have become much less strict than when they began. |
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Suck it up, buttercup!!
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KatKomics private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by DrWatson I kind of expect the same to happen at CBCS - both CGC and CBCS have Borok and post Borok grading...post leans towards looser as it's no longer 100% about the collectors and is more about the corporate bottom line...which it always is...but in a Borok era maybe 5 to 10% profit or growth per year is ok...post those goals tend to move into less reasonable ranges, or ranges that come from outside rather than from within |
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 It's like the Roach Motel for comic collectors.
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chester15 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| The biggest difference in label value is which company's initials are on the right side. But that has been discussed before. | ||
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 If the viagra is working you should be well over a 9.8.
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| @KatKomics I felt like post-Borock the common complaint was no one could get 9.8s any more. | ||
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I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this.
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 Have I told you about the time I dropped off 3,000 comics at SDCC?
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Scifinator private msg quote post Address this user | |
| For me, the label is ok in that it doesn’t detract from the comic as much as cgc labels. That said, when i viewed the various prototypes last year, i did suggest that they should offer a choice for submissions to be the new style or now old style legacy label. I like uniformity, without a legacy option, my submissions for collection comics are halted. I will just fill in from others resales where i can. Funny, no mentions of the back of the label. |
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 would be nice to have a snugger fit.
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Quote:Originally Posted by Scifinator  |
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 I blame the forum gremlins.
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| Echoing similar statements, I can't believe that in this age of product customization that they still haven't figured out custom labels. They have their place, but if well done and look good next to the book, then I've been known to toss in an extra $5. Come on CBCS... this can't be that hard!    |
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I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this.
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GAC private msg quote post Address this user | |
| @figment There are likely licensing costs that make it unfeasible. That would be my guess. Also, just an observation...but I don't think there are any DC custom labels...curious as to why. |
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HooperSchaefer private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I’m curious: Has anyone seen an example of what the ART label or the other “no grade” labels look like with the redesign? |
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 To answer your question, no, this is not where the comics go to die.
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Quote:Originally Posted by GAC They had one but from what I read on the CGC site they are having problems securing the rights for any DC stuff.  |
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I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this.
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GAC private msg quote post Address this user | |
| @MutantMania cool! I've never seen that label before. Thanks for posting. | ||
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It's like the Roach Motel for comic collectors.
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| I frequently get custom labels at CGC, because they sell much better. Definitely get my $5 back, usually quite a bit more. I don't know why CBCS can't do it if CGC can. And why CGC only has a very few available makes me dumbfounded. It's free money - $5 to add some ink to the label. If you did it as a revenue sharing arrangement with the Publisher and Grading Co, it's a win-win. Each publisher has in-house art that it owns that it can provide, already paid for, maybe long ago. And $5 is not chump change. Think about it. A new comic is $4-$5 now, for a cover, x number of pages, printing, cutting, stapling costs, distribution, and paying the talent. Basically you are printing a thumbnail on a label for $5 and people are willing to pay it. Yeah, lets turn those people away. We don't need a 99% profit item. Right now for CBCS, CGC (on labels it ISN'T making available), and the publishers, it's a LOSE-LOSE-LOSE. For someone not to see a no-brainer, you have to have no brain. |
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If I could, I would. I swear.
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DrWatson private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I don't care for the custom labels. You can call it gilding the lily or putting lipstick on a pig, whichever you fancy. It may only be $5, but it's $5 for nothing but a bit of unnecessary ink. | ||
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It's like the Roach Motel for comic collectors.
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chester15 private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by DrWatson I hear you @DrWatson. I don't particularly care for them either. I can take them or leave them. But enough of my customers are willing to pay up for them. I have sold $150 slabs at $175, and the only difference (that I can see) is the custom label. So in that regard, I LOVE them! Wish I could get every slab in a custom label and really clean up. But, no. There is a certain amount of demand for them, and NOT having the custom label available is causing me to lose potential profits. Me, CGC, CBCS, and the publishers. They just don't see it, and that's how it remains. |
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 I'm waiting.... (tapping fingers).Splotches is gettin old! |
Nuffsaid111 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I like anything that nets me more profit no matter how dumb it is. My personal thoughts don't matter in this hobby. Gave up having things make sense a long time ago |
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It's like the Roach Motel for comic collectors.
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chester15 private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by DrWatson Completely right. I'm not saying it's "only $5". I'm saying it's a free $5 (!!!) that is being left on the table, because some people are more than willing to pay it. They (some customers) are willing to give you (CGC, CBCS) free money, but you don't want to do it. It's UN-American to pass up the free money. |
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If I could, I would. I swear.
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DrWatson private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I'm willing to bet that the cgc has an exclusivity agreement built into their contract with whomever is licensing the custom labels. They would be stupid to not have such an agreement. CBCS more than likely couldn't produce labels with the same characters even if they wanted to do so. | ||
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I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this.
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GAC private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by DrWatson guaranteed! |
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