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| The CGC notes were never posted and I don't have them because it was a book I bought already graded. I will say I'm glad that people are passionate about CBCS and that we need to be able to support them enough to keep their doors open because competition is good. I have submitted 13 pre-75 books and this was the only one that ruffled my feathers a little. I have submitted 32 modern books 20 have already been graded the other 12 are still in received. Out of the 20 19 hit the 9.8 pre-screen the one reject was a walking dead book that and I know this will be hard to believe CGC also rejected on a 9.8 pre-screen. To think one of these companies just gives a grade by throwing darts just shows how misinformed some people are. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by Kaleljll I...um...you do KNOW that wasn't the issue, right...? |
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| @doc this thread is all cgc vs cbcs so yes that post by Kaleljll is the issue Guys, I think it is absolutely imperative that we all tear each others throats out in order to get to the bottom of this issue! On second thought, I think I'm just gonna go read some comic books...  |
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Ok Yell at me now. I think PGX is the best most accurate grading company. GO!  |
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| All I did was look up the cgc licence plate and take a screen shot. I have never submitted any books to cgc and I just barely sent in a handful of books to cbcs. I'm a rookie here and I don't really have an opinion one way or the other. I went with cbcs because I didn't like how CGC's cases make the Newton ring and their creep engine failure. Don't blame me for all this @shrewbeer |
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Quote:Originally Posted by shrewbeer No. That's not the specific issue to which I was referring. Here, I'll post it again: Quote: Originally Posted by DocBrown To which kaleljll responded with, not the GRADER'S NOTES, but the certification verification...again, NOT grader's notes: Quote: Originally Posted by Kaleljll Which, while clever, still doesn't answer the question of where the CGC grader's notes were posted in this thread. They weren't. The grader's notes ARE available...for the fee. But again, the claims that Darth Lego were making weren't accurate, and not "facts", because we don't have the grader's notes, and even if we did, it would only show what they noted...and maybe they DID note the sun shadow and the writing...but if they didn't, that's not proof that it was "missed", as Darth Lego is claiming. There you go! Quote: Originally Posted by shrewbeer I absolutely agree with you! If you think you are tearing someone's throat out, then absolutely you should go do something else. Aside from the personal comments you made about me earlier, however, I'm enjoying a nice, in depth, detailed discussion about one of my very favorite subjects: comic book grading. No "throat tearing" from my perspective. But totally, if that's what you feel you're doing, going to read a comic is absolutely the right call. Enjoy! |
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| So cgc makes you pay for the grader notes and cbcs doesn't right? Yet another reason why I feel like I made the right decision using cbcs and not cgc. I guess I will see if this feeling is the same when I get my first round of submissions back in a couple months. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Kaleljll Yes, not charging for the grader's notes was a fantastic decision from CBCS. |
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| But PGX gives you free 1-2 Grade bump. Submit a 7.0 get a 9.8. There is no grader notes cause they don't really examine it. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by KingNampa lol |
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Quote:Originally Posted by DocBrown I usually tape a $100 bill as a tip for the grader to my invoice to PGX and I get back all 9.9's |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Kaleljll You are certainly not to blame for any wrongdoing whatsoever on this thread. If anything you've been a welcome addition to the forum lately  |
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Quote:Originally Posted by shrewbeer Thanks man |
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JWKyle private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by KaleljllThe person who submits a book directly to CGC does receive the graders notes on their submission page for free. Too bad that they just wouldn't make notes available for free on the verification page. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by KingNampa Yell at you? I just feel bad for anyone who believes that. The problem with this industry is that once you ruin your reputation, you can't get it back and any book with your label on it is now forever tainted. I saw this CGC issue coming a mile away and dumped all my books. CBCS graded books are now gaining and surpassing CGC prices for moderns. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by JWKyle Not all books have grader notes however. I've personally submitted 4 books to CGC last year and none of them have notes. |
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| I can't prove that CGC missed the defects that CBCS indicated on their grading notes. Let's play devils advocate and go with a hypothetical thought that CGC noticed the exact same defects. Can you justify those very same defects getting a 9.0? If you say yes, I have some really great 9.0s to sell you and I'll throw in some free Florida swamp land to boot. If you can't justify those defects getting a 9.0 (which is what my opinion is) then you have to wonder if those defects were missed (which is what I believe). There you go, no "facts" just my opinion based upon Spock level logic and deduction. (And I didn't need a Trump sized wall of quotes to give my opinion either  ) |
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Quote:Originally Posted by AndyRexia I find this to be a problem. Any book that grades less than a 10 should have a note as to why. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by DarthLego Good, it's good to see you back down off of your "facts" comments. I'll say this again, because it doesn't seem you're understanding my point: you cannot grade from a scan. Now, can you disqualify a book from a certain grade range based on flaws in a scan? Sure. But this book doesn't fall under that problem. It's a very nice book. It has flaws, but it doesn't have any "7.5 limiting" flaws that I can SEE. The writing? People have written on comics for 80 years; it's just not that big a deal. I have a beautiful 9.6 Warlock #10 that has a "3" in pen written at the very top of the spine, back cover. It is about 1/4" tall. Other than the "3", the book is gorgeous. If writing bothers you, OF COURSE you're going to consider it to be in lower grade than others. But writing on books...especially writing like this...has been going on for decades, and is usually forgiven for the most part. As far as the sun shadow: again, it's a scan. You don't know how it looks in person. But even still, it's not a bad shadow AT ALL. Besides those things, the book looks like a VERY solid copy. So, no, it is NOT disqualified from a 9.0, based on what's visible. Quote: Originally Posted by DL What does the size of the quotes have to do with anything? Including quotes means there's a reference point so people know what you're responding to. It makes both WHAT you're saying, and WHOM you're saying it to, clearer. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by OrbitCityComics I was definitely disappointed because I thought I was getting notes. I don't know exactly which books get notes but I would assume the more valuable books get notes. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by AndyRexia Someone said recently here that they temporarily bypassed the notes in favor of grading faster in order to catch up on TAT. It may even be in this thread somewhere. Cutting corners IMO |
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Quote:Originally Posted by shrewbeer https://forum.cbcscomics.com/topic/1998/page/1/cgc-at-20-business-day-modern-turn-time/ |
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There it is. I learned a lot on that thread  |
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Quote:Originally Posted by KingNampa ROFL!! *turns off phone* |
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Quote:Originally Posted by poka Well - people might be happier now with CGC grading notes. Now that CGC has caught up and even surpassed their TAT, they are doing lots of grading notes. The disadvantage with CGC vs CBCS on grading notes is that they are only available - for free - to the submitter. If you didn't submit the book - under YOUR CGC account - then notes are not free. They are available for purchase. CBCS has grading notes for free to anyone online. BTW - I'll introduce another thought here. Almost every positive has an unintended consequence that isn't always so positive. I've seen both grading companies - CBCS since they opened their doors and CGC when they are either caught up or have hired new graders - do more lengthy grading notes on 9.4 and better books. IF YOU ARE SELLING such books, this isn't always a positive. What appears to be a long'ish list of very tiny defects on a NM(+) slab makes it look less desirable to potential buyers. "Look at all those defects...clearly overgraded". I've observed this phenomenon several times now at CL auctions where a CBCS book in 9.8 with graders notes that list a 2-4 tiny defects sells for less than the CGC 9.8 with no notes (common on CGC books) literally 15 seconds apart. |
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| Right now, until this issue is resolved clickable text I wouldn't even consider utilizing CGC. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by fingfangfoom "What I don't understand is that I have NEVER seen the prism effect on PGX or Voldemort slabs." They call CBCS slabs "Voldemort"?!   .. nothing short of awesome, total compliment LOL I know I digress but thanks for the link and the laugh |
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| Forum rules do not allow for CBCS discussion or images to be posted so the "Voldemort" pseudonym was adopted. | ||
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| @shrewbeer CGC banned the name CBCS from their forum, so the members came up with the code word Voldemort (he who shall not be named). | ||
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