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	So the real question is can CBCS's dad beat up CGC's dad? Who ever wins that fight is the better grading company.
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Collector 25.63K	25.63K poka private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 2
	Quote: Originally Posted by JLS_Comics I can't read the entire thread so apologies if we've moved past this conversation already but here is my take on cgc vs cbs. I base it upon what is important to ME, what I look for in a company and I do understand that everyone's priorities are different. I'll list who wins under each company name. CBCS: Price Turn-Around Time Signature Verification Label Design Customer Service (Normal interactions + Management of quality concerns, handling of NewtonRing-gate) CGC Census: My opinion on this is that, as more come to CBCS and even PGX, that their census is increasingly inaccurate and irrelevant. Someone should make a Slab census that records grades from all companies. To do 1 out of 3 makes no sense any more. Re-Sale: In actuality is is only, on AVERAGE ~10% higher. But then you have to factor in what you're having graded and if the turn around time will eat away at that 10% So there you go. I think I have a clear winner! That's why we say cbcs if for keep/buy - cgc for sell
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	The book in question had sun shading and a pencil mark, both of which CGC missed, which is why they gave it a 9.0 and CBCS gave it a 7.5. It wasn't a subjective opinion. It was an ERROR on the part of the graders. I didn't just pull that out my behind, those are the facts of the book being talked about.
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Oh and here's Raw scans of the books

This book should never have been a 9.0. Period.

100% accurate

Why not?

Why not? I'll start with 7 to 8 spine ticks! That's NOT a VF/NM grade on any planet known to carbon units.

In your opinion.

Not everyone shares your opinion. I don't. I'm a carbon based unit.

Some people don't mind spine ticks relatively speaking.

If you do, then that book's not for you.

If the book was structurally very nice otherwise, then 7-8 CB spine tics aren't that big a deal.

Remember: you cannot grade from a scan. No one can.

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The difference between a 9.0 and a 7.5 is quite substantial in my opinion. A 1/4 grade difference in grade? I can easily accept. A 1/2 grade difference in grade? getting bothersome. 3/4 of a grade difference? uhhhhh, yeah, I can easily tell you the difference between the two. I hope you could as well

Most of the time, I would agree with you. But not all of the time, no. And neither would the rest of the comic buying world.

From what I can see of that book, it's quite a lovely book, and the owner (who has seen it in hand, the ONLY real way to grade a comic book) agrees.

I don't think 1/2 a grade difference is bothersome at all, except in the very highest grades, because the more wear a book has, the more subjective grading becomes. 1/2 a grade off really isn't anything to write home about.

This is 3/4 of a grade off. I pressed a book once, a key early Bronze book, that was a CGC 9.0. It had some very slight defects, but it was a nice, quality book, and after it was done, it was better than it was when it started.

That 9.0 got a 7.5 from CGC.

Why?

Because it had relatively significant tanning on the back and interior covers. Now, that tanning was present the FIRST time the book had graded...but the standard on tanning was a lot looser. As a result, the book got a 7.5. I was flabbergasted, of course. I called up, asked for it to be re-evaluated, and it went to an 8.0. Nowhere near the 9.0 that it was. And it didn't "turn" in the case, either. The policy on tanning simply changed.

So, I advised the client to deslab it, and sell it with the old 9.0 label, and he sold it to a customer at the 9.0 price, who was thrilled with it.

The point is, I didn't agree with CGC's LATTER stance on the book, and neither did my client, and neither did his customer. And it's ok to not agree with a grading company's opinion. That doesn't make you wrong, or "delusional", or even misinformed or uneducated, necessarily, especially if you can reasonably justify YOUR opinion.

For decades, people were over AND undergrading by full grades, sometimes multiple grades.

Were they wrong? I would say so, but they wouldn't. Now, we're talking about differences WITHIN a single grade. How far we have come. It's pretty amazing.

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Originally Posted by DarthLego
The book in question had sun shading and a pencil mark, both of which CGC missed, which is why they gave it a 9.0

Sorry, but you don't know that. That is a claim you cannot make.

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and CBCS gave it a 7.5. It wasn't a subjective opinion. It was an ERROR on the part of the graders. I didn't just pull that out my behind, those are the facts of the book being talked about.

No, you're making things up for which you have no proof, and calling them facts.

You don't have the CGC grader notes, do you?

If you do not, how can you even begin to know what they caught and what they missed? And, since notes aren't exhaustive for EITHER company, having the CGC notes would only show what they expressly noted...it's still not proof that they "missed" it...for that, you'd need to be the grader who graded the book.

"Sun shadows" are NOT "8.0 capped" defects.

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	Quote: Originally Posted by Towmater Hulk's head hurt from long posts S'ok, Hulk. Sometimes you need long posts to adequately explain an issue.
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	Good Lord, this is getting a little out of hand.
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Collector 25.63K	25.63K poka private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Quote: Originally Posted by DocBrown Quote: Originally Posted by DarthLego The book in question had sun shading and a pencil mark, both of which CGC missed, which is why they gave it a 9.0 Sorry, but you don't know that. That is a claim you cannot make. Quote: Originally Posted by DL and CBCS gave it a 7.5. It wasn't a subjective opinion. It was an ERROR on the part of the graders. I didn't just pull that out my behind, those are the facts of the book being talked about. No, you're making things up for which you have no proof, and calling them facts. You don't have the CGC grader notes, do you? If you do not, how can you even begin to know what they caught and what they missed? And, since notes aren't exhaustive for EITHER company, having the CGC notes would only show what they expressly noted...it's still not proof that they "missed" it...for that, you'd need to be the grader who graded the book. "Sun shadows" are NOT "8.0 capped" defects. Actually cgc notes are shared earlier in the post
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Collector 16.89K	16.89K DocBrown private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 3
	Quote: Originally Posted by poka Quote: Originally Posted by DocBrown Quote: Originally Posted by DarthLego The book in question had sun shading and a pencil mark, both of which CGC missed, which is why they gave it a 9.0 Sorry, but you don't know that. That is a claim you cannot make. Quote: Originally Posted by DL and CBCS gave it a 7.5. It wasn't a subjective opinion. It was an ERROR on the part of the graders. I didn't just pull that out my behind, those are the facts of the book being talked about. No, you're making things up for which you have no proof, and calling them facts. You don't have the CGC grader notes, do you? If you do not, how can you even begin to know what they caught and what they missed? And, since notes aren't exhaustive for EITHER company, having the CGC notes would only show what they expressly noted...it's still not proof that they "missed" it...for that, you'd need to be the grader who graded the book. "Sun shadows" are NOT "8.0 capped" defects. Actually cgc notes are shared earlier in the post They were? Could you point me to them? I carefully searched this thread from JWKyle's first post about it to the last, and then again just now when I red your post, but I don't see them. I see CBCS' notes...but not CGC's. If you have them, would you mind reposting them?
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	Quote: Originally Posted by Themaxx35 Good Lord, this is getting a little out of hand. No need for the melodrama, nothing's out of hand. This is a VITAL discussion to have for people involved in graded comic books, at any level.
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Collector 406	406 Kaleljll private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Quote: Originally Posted by DocBrown Quote: Originally Posted by poka Quote: Originally Posted by DocBrown Quote: Originally Posted by DarthLego The book in question had sun shading and a pencil mark, both of which CGC missed, which is why they gave it a 9.0 Sorry, but you don't know that. That is a claim you cannot make. Quote: Originally Posted by DL and CBCS gave it a 7.5. It wasn't a subjective opinion. It was an ERROR on the part of the graders. I didn't just pull that out my behind, those are the facts of the book being talked about. No, you're making things up for which you have no proof, and calling them facts. You don't have the CGC grader notes, do you? If you do not, how can you even begin to know what they caught and what they missed? And, since notes aren't exhaustive for EITHER company, having the CGC notes would only show what they expressly noted...it's still not proof that they "missed" it...for that, you'd need to be the grader who graded the book. "Sun shadows" are NOT "8.0 capped" defects. Actually cgc notes are shared earlier in the post They were? Could you point me to them? I carefully searched this thread from JWKyle's first post about it to the last, and then again just now when I red your post, but I don't see them. I see CBCS' notes...but not CGC's. If you have them, would you mind reposting them? I posted it earlier. Here you go
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	Quote: Originally Posted by Kaleljll Quote: Originally Posted by DocBrown Quote: Originally Posted by poka Quote: Originally Posted by DocBrown Quote: Originally Posted by DarthLego The book in question had sun shading and a pencil mark, both of which CGC missed, which is why they gave it a 9.0 Sorry, but you don't know that. That is a claim you cannot make. Quote: Originally Posted by DL and CBCS gave it a 7.5. It wasn't a subjective opinion. It was an ERROR on the part of the graders. I didn't just pull that out my behind, those are the facts of the book being talked about. No, you're making things up for which you have no proof, and calling them facts. You don't have the CGC grader notes, do you? If you do not, how can you even begin to know what they caught and what they missed? And, since notes aren't exhaustive for EITHER company, having the CGC notes would only show what they expressly noted...it's still not proof that they "missed" it...for that, you'd need to be the grader who graded the book. "Sun shadows" are NOT "8.0 capped" defects. Actually cgc notes are shared earlier in the post They were? Could you point me to them? I carefully searched this thread from JWKyle's first post about it to the last, and then again just now when I red your post, but I don't see them. I see CBCS' notes...but not CGC's. If you have them, would you mind reposting them? I posted it earlier. Here you go And where do I find the grader notes..?
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	@kaleljll - those are not graders note but just verification. @DocBrown - I am pretty sure I saw them earlier in the post (both the cbcs and cgc) but I must have been mistaken.
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	Quote: Originally Posted by poka @kaleljll - those are not graders note but just verification. @DocBrown - I am pretty sure I saw them earlier in the post (both the cbcs and cgc) but I must have been mistaken. Thanks. I didn't think I saw them, so I wanted to be sure. You COULD always buy them.
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	Quote: Originally Posted by DocBrown Quote: Originally Posted by Kaleljll Quote: Originally Posted by DocBrown Quote: Originally Posted by poka Quote: Originally Posted by DocBrown Quote: Originally Posted by DarthLego The book in question had sun shading and a pencil mark, both of which CGC missed, which is why they gave it a 9.0 Sorry, but you don't know that. That is a claim you cannot make. Quote: Originally Posted by DL and CBCS gave it a 7.5. It wasn't a subjective opinion. It was an ERROR on the part of the graders. I didn't just pull that out my behind, those are the facts of the book being talked about. No, you're making things up for which you have no proof, and calling them facts. You don't have the CGC grader notes, do you? If you do not, how can you even begin to know what they caught and what they missed? And, since notes aren't exhaustive for EITHER company, having the CGC notes would only show what they expressly noted...it's still not proof that they "missed" it...for that, you'd need to be the grader who graded the book. "Sun shadows" are NOT "8.0 capped" defects. Actually cgc notes are shared earlier in the post They were? Could you point me to them? I carefully searched this thread from JWKyle's first post about it to the last, and then again just now when I red your post, but I don't see them. I see CBCS' notes...but not CGC's. If you have them, would you mind reposting them? I posted it earlier. Here you go And where do I find the grader notes..? Exactly, you can't see their graders notes like you can with cbcs... It just says coming soon
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	Quote: Originally Posted by dpiercy Are you the guy from Mythbusters??
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	Quote: Originally Posted by mattness Quote: Originally Posted by dpiercy Are you the guy from Mythbusters?? His older brother, actually.
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	@Kaleljll CGC's mobile verification page doesn't currently support purchasing the grader's notes. If you visit the desktop site you have the option to purchase the notes for $5. If @JWKyle submitted the book himself, then he should have access to the grader's notes for free
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	The CGC notes were never posted and I don't have them because it was a book I bought already graded. I will say I'm glad that people are passionate about CBCS and that we need to be able to support them enough to keep their doors open because competition is good. I have submitted 13 pre-75 books and this was the only one that ruffled my feathers a little. I have submitted 32 modern books 20 have already been graded the other 12 are still in received. Out of the 20 19 hit the 9.8 pre-screen the one reject was a walking dead book that and I know this will be hard to believe CGC also rejected on a 9.8 pre-screen. To think one of these companies just gives a grade by throwing darts just shows how misinformed some people are.
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	Quote: Originally Posted by Kaleljll Exactly, you can't see their graders notes like you can with cbcs... It just says coming soon I...um...you do KNOW that wasn't the issue, right...?
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	@doc this thread is all cgc vs cbcs so yes that post by Kaleljll is the issue Guys, I think it is absolutely imperative that we all tear each others throats out in order to get to the bottom of this issue! On second thought, I think I'm just gonna go read some comic books...
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	Ok Yell at me now. I think PGX is the best most accurate grading company. GO!
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	All I did was look up the cgc licence plate and take a screen shot. I have never submitted any books to cgc and I just barely sent in a handful of books to cbcs. I'm a rookie here and I don't really have an opinion one way or the other. I went with cbcs because I didn't like how CGC's cases make the Newton ring and their creep engine failure. Don't blame me for all this @shrewbeer
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