CBCS vs CGC1957
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Rafel private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by shrewbeer I know and it's not over yet. Still trying to get the difference in grades in credit. The best part of it all was CBCS admitted they should have never tried to slab it!! |
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 I'm sure whatever it was you got me was perfect.
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| Just my 2 cents. CBCS has never given me a problem. I don't need a score card to figure out if their holder may damage my comic. And they are good people with a good (some may even say superior) product. | ||
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D84 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| CBCS has won for me. Though I prefer the look of the new CGC case (once they brought the well back), CBCS has better service and an integrity CGC doesn't have. | ||
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rckstr1253 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I think cbcs is better overall in my opinion. I like the cases better and think they grade better as well! | ||
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Dshel61 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Is there any way to tell which generation slab it is? I have a Harbinger 1 that was slabbed by CGC at 9.4 but I don't remember when. I know it was about 5 - 10 years ago. Would you suggest sending it to CBCS to be regraded and slabbed? | ||
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dielinfinite private msg quote post Address this user | |
| @Dshel61 The flawed slab was released and replaced only last year so if it was slabbed 5-10 years ago you'll have one of the earlier, more reliable slabs. | ||
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the420bandito private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I do agree with one point. The newest CGC case is amazingly tough. It makes all the other slabs feel inferior. If I had to choose based on case alone I would have to choose CGC at this moment. |
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 CBCS broke up with me over Facebook.
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CFP_Comics private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by the420bandito I can crack a book out of a CBCS slab in 10 seconds. An old CGC slab in even less time. The new CGC case requires tools and, at times, butterfly stitches. |
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DarthLego private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I have to add that the harder it is to open a slab the higher the risk in damaging the comic. Also, the main purpose of the slab is to provide tamper evidence to secure the validity of the comic, not to make the comic a bullet proof frisbee. CGC slabs have been known to be opened and resealed by scam artists. CBCS designed their slabs to pretty much be destroyed upon opening just to prevent that very thing. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by DarthLego Common sense. Sometimes seems so uncommon.  |
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CFP_Comics private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by DarthLego I will have to disagree here. I can open a CBCS slab with little to no damage. I have not tried putting one back together, but your post has given me a homework assignment. |
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 Ima gonna steal this and look for some occasion to use it!
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IronMan private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by Dshel61 There would be a couple of ways. To begin with, CGC Generation 2 slabs look different. Clearer, heavier. The easiest way is that Generation 2 slabs have the outer shell completely sealed. You cannot pull the sides a little apart. CGC Generation 1 slabs - like CBCS slabs - do not have the sides sealed. The slabs are sealed at the four corners. CGC generation 2 with an inner holder if you look carefully you can see the inner holder. It will look like there is an inner plastic bag - you can see the edges welded together. You can also check the CGC serial number on the CGC website. CGC introduced the Generation 2 case (with no inner holder) in April 2016. On June 24, 2016 they switched over to the Generation 2 slab with an inner holder. Enter the serial number on the CGC label and it will tell you among other things the dated slabbed. Link https://www.cgccomics.com/grading/verify-cgc-comic.aspx |
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Ima gonna steal this and look for some occasion to use it!
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IronMan private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by CFP_Comics You are better than me  ... I can get the slab open without "damaging" the slab. But the top rail and at least one of the two clips always shows cracking and often times loses tiny pieces. And it truly is a bitch to try to put back together.I've thought before that maybe heating the plastic tabs on the top with a blow dryer before removing and putting back on. Maybe that might help. But I don't care enough to experiment. |
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Tamper evidence is one of the major selling features of CBCS slabs. And very important in asssuring the validity of the comic inside. If anyone can dismantle and reasemble one without showing signs of the tampering then we will have a big problem. |
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JWKyle private msg quote post Address this user | |
I have taken these 2 books because they represent exactly the product you will receive from both companies and asked some peoples opinions. I usually just hand the books over and don't add any of my opinions. The first time I did this was when a customer of mine (who knows I collect comics) asked my opinion on the grading companies. The next day knowing I had to go back I took him these 2 books and let him make his own decisions.   |
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DarthLego private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Can't wait to hear these poll numbers. | ||
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JWKyle private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by DarthLego There was nothing too damning about this test. Out of the five people I asked their opinion on each product, they all choose CGC for one reason. It was because they thought the heavier slab conveyed a better product. No labels, grading standards, clearness of the slab none of those things were brought up. These people had no background in comics except for the one guy who asked for my opinion on the companies in the first place. |
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DarthLego private msg quote post Address this user | |
Let them carry around a short box of slabs and see if they appreciate how much lighter CBCS is then.  |
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Quote:Originally Posted by JWKyle Almost everyone equates weight with value. |
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 I had no way of knowing that 9.8 graded copies signed by Adam Hughes weren't what you were looking for.
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Quote:Originally Posted by DrWatson On the plus side the extra weight comes in handy if you use the slab to bludgeon and intruder. On the minus side, that extra ounce or two is a bitch when you are shipping by priority mail and trying to keep the weight under two pounds. |
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IronMan private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by DrWatson I should be worth a fortune then... |
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DrWatson private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by IronMan Weight with respect to quality.  |
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Dshel61 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Again I'm a newb but do you find that the same book graded at the same grade by both CGC & CBCS carry the same selling value? Does one sell higher than the other? | ||
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JWKyle private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by Dshel61I have no solid numbers or anything to link right now this is just my opinion. I think key type books are selling for around the same price or in the ballbark. Hell 2 books graded by CGC in the same grade don't even sell for the same price so yes CBCS and CGC are in the same ballpark. For non-key and run type books CBCS has a little problem here. I think it's because people in general people aren't building big runs on books. Maybe when competitive sets are released by CBCS it will help on the prices of run of the mill graded books |
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dpiercy private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Definitely think the gap has narrowed between the two companies as far as sales go. | ||
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poka private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Some people will pay more for cgc slabs just because of their registry | ||
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RonC private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Is there a CBCS Census? It's nice to see how many comics are graded in each condition. | ||
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DarthLego private msg quote post Address this user | |
| @RonC Not yet, some day. | ||
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Rafel private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by poka Not me. I've been buying CBCS slabs because they're much cheaper and a truer grade. |
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JWKyle private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by RafelI hate to say this but yes "some" CBCS slabs are cheaper then their CGC counterpart.I can actually see it where people could start buying the CBCS slabs and do the CPR to CGC sort of like some of the stuff people do with PGX or old label CGC slabs |
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