CBCS vs CGC1957
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Quote:Originally Posted by shrewbeer Why do you assume I was talking specifically to only you? I didn't quote you. Lots of people on this board act as if CGC is the Empire to CBCS's Rebellion. Looks like the company that makes Kool Aid will be seeing a spike in profits. And where is the proof, not speculation, that CGC is "Compromising product and changing standards in the name of profits", or is that simply opinion? |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Jerkfro Post directly after mine that mentioned profits. If assumption was wrong that your post was in reference to mine in any way, then my apologies. Quote: Originally Posted by Jerkfro Here's the most common example for you.  |
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| @Jerkfro Do you think CGC is better or do you think CBCS is better at grading, and slabbing comics? Please do not provide an answer that vacillates between one company and the other. My answer is CBCS. |
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| I will say this if you plan on sending in a group of 15 books or more pre-1975 book for reselling there is no comparison it has to go to CGC. The price point are just too big of a difference $22.50 per book vs $27 per book. I think this is something CBCS needs to address and at least try to get in the ballpark. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by JWKyle Including a free service would justify the higher cost.....maybe a free press or cleaning could help....and still allow someone to budget a submission. I'd consider it. I'd even be interested in a "one submission - one price" that would include the whole shebang of press, clean, grade, slab.... Of course this would have to be a bit lower than the individual charges combined. I honestly believe competition is much better when differing services or sales exist at times. It keeps me interested for one, it will bring in new customers and it will boost "word of mouth" to get new customers. *dream sequence begins to play out above his head* |
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Quote:Originally Posted by ZosoRocks +1 |
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Quote:Originally Posted by shrewbeer You do realize that everybody's hero, Steve Borock, was with CGC when that "damn profit mongering green label" was created right? |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Jerkfro Why do most people think the qualified label is nothing more than a money grab? When I see a book graded 4.5 and it looks 9.8 I would like to know why. While that can easily be on the Universal Label, the Qualified label immediately alerts me to the fact that the book has an issue that is interior or so severe that it was an absolute grade killer. While we are on the subject, I have seen many Qualified keys regraded as Universal labels, and even after taking the hit the book sold for more. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Towmater CBCS is the clear winner on the case, no question. The whole new case fiasco/creep engine debacle proves that. CBCS appears to be the winner on customer service. Clearly CGC has a certain arrogant attitude regarding it's customer base. As for grading? I don't know. Neither company is perfect. For all the people saying that CBCS is tighter than CGC, I remember several people who deal a lot more in slabbed comics than I do telling me that this wasn't always the case. As for which do I prefer? The jury's out on that. I'm not anti or pro either one. They are both a means to an end. Both companies have their strengths and weaknesses. My issue is more with the rampant Kool Aid drinking and anti-CGC axe grinding that goes on, on this board. As I said before, you'd think that people would be satisfied and happy that there is now legit competition to CGC. That apparently isn't the case. Grudges last a long time. Just don't see the point in continuing to bring it up. I'm not knocking anyone's decision to choose one company over the other. I just wish all the whiny, self important, self gratifying, self indulgent grudge posting would cease. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by CFP_Comics Actually, that brings up another issue. The "is it a green label book or a blue label book" problem. The fact that they would allow a choice is a problem. Well, for me anyway. It also leads to confusion. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Jerkfro How is that pertinent? CBCS doesn't do it. Their version of this is just a checkmark next to the grade now. Quote: Originally Posted by CFP_Comics I think I would be more open to it if they included the "real" grade of the book as well. Ex, looks like 9.2 but is .5. It otherwise allows a book to be displayed/advertised to those that are not in the know as a high grade, and thus much more attractive to sellers than a simple checkmark next to the real grade. |
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| Does CBCS downgrade for miswraps or do they consider miswraps to be production related, like CGC does? | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by Jerkfro If I understand your question correctly, see page nine of this thread |
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Quote:Originally Posted by shrewbeer I agree (bolded point), but you are given the choice at time of submission. This is one of the few time I would agree more is indeed more. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Towmater There's no way to answer that question, because it's not quantifiable. There ARE quantifiable aspects, such as the quality and construction of the case, but as to the grading itself, it's impossible to say, because grading is subjective. "Wha...?? Are you saying PGX is as good as CBCS or CGC???" No. There's enough of a body of evidence to show that, generally, PGX is not in the same category as those two. And, PGX has no internal or external checks, and has been reasonably shown to have colluded with several local sellers to commit fraud. But, much like that broken clock, even PGX gets things right occasionally. But between two companies of the same general level of experience...and Steve Borock was the President of CGC for 8 years, and established their standards, too...there's no way to say "so and so grades superior to such and such." Sure, people can point to specific examples of wackiness, no doubt, but when considered over a broad sample, they're pretty much equal. Not sure why someone can't answer your question without "vacillating", it "vacillation" is the actual answer. If someone likes CBCS better...and there are certainly valid reasons to do so, make no doubt about it...that's great, but that's just a personal preference, not a quantifiable difference based on empirical evidence. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Jerkfro Here's the most common example for you. What is your specific complaint with this? |
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| I would go with CBCS simply because I value my customers enough not to sell them a product I personally think is junk. | ||
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