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Quote:Originally Posted by JWKyle Purist in terms of grading. We can get into wether or not they should be pressing, but I think we did already in the other stickied thread. Hearing from Steve that the graders cant find out if a book was pressed and by whom, that put the issue to bed for me. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by drchaos Who's to say what is or is not the "true" grade? |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Jerkfro This guy  . Generally accepted throughout the industry since at least 1992 as the foremost published expert on exactly how a book is to be graded.  *photo credit Alan Light |
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Quote:Originally Posted by DarthLego Advocate for illiteracy. I applaud your wanting to be discrete but that advocacy has been active since the 50's or so. Glad to know it works though. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by shrewbeer But that's the problem. You're placing too much emphasis on one person...even if that person is Bob...and their opinion. The value of an opinion is in the merit of that opinion. Is that opinion educated, based on observation and experience, or is it not? Bob, just like everyone else, is human. He's not perfect, and wouldn't claim to be. And, the way he looks at books isn't necessarily how the market looks at books now. (As an aside...it doesn't make much sense to suggest someone is "living in the past", and then reference Bob Overstreet as the foremost expert in grading comics. As formidable as he is, Bob's been "behind the times" in this regard for quite some time.) The value of expertise is reflected in the merit of the opinion, but that doesn't mean any one man's opinion is THE opinion. I don't speak for anyone but me, but I think Bob, CBCS, CGC, and anyone else would tell you that the most valuable opinion with regards to something you own or want to obtain is YOURS. And yes, it's nice to rely on the opinions of those more informed...but ultimately, the goal is not to use those opinions as replacements for one's own, but to be able to agree with those opinions (or DISagree!) because you are qualified and capable of forming your OWN educated opinion. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by shrewbeer Who is that guy? You? LOL I actually thought you were going to call me out! :o) |
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Quote:Originally Posted by DocBrown In a nutshell....if you aren't willing to pay for the slabbing or another POV as a "true grade", then it would be best that you don't submit your comics for grading.....more than likely, you will be disappointed. :o) |
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@ZosoRocks if I had a picture of you I would have certainly given you the expert title  That's Robert Overstreet |
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Quote:Originally Posted by ZosoRocks Unfortunately, no one is paying multiples of guide for a "Doc Brown" slabbed 9.8 |
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Quote:Originally Posted by DocBrown Doc that was a joke, how I felt about the general feel of the argument. I dont think you are exactly "living in the past" lol. I initially only posted the seven second clip of the end, minutes later fixed it to the full clip, not sure if you watched it. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Logan510 Very true. My opinion means nothing to the market. The market only cares what the number on the label says. So, I pay for that opinion, and, 95%+ of the time, we agree. And, of course, that works both ways. If I think a book is a 9.0, and a grading company grades it 9.4...then I'm under no obligation to say "I think they overgraded this book." This doesn't apply to obvious mistakes, of course, but genuine differences of opinion. Though one can take issue with the concept of paying "multiples of guide" when the guide...I assume the OPG...doesn't go past 9.2, but that's a minor quibble. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by shrewbeer We used to drive by his house in Cleveland, TN on the way to visit relatives. Dad always refereed to it as the house that was built by funny books. I haven't been there in years. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by ZosoRocks Maybe I'm missing something, but that sounds redundant. "If you aren't willing to pay for the slabbing, it would be best not to slab"...? That seems self-evident...? |
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 I had no way of knowing that 9.8 graded copies signed by Adam Hughes weren't what you were looking for.
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Quote:Originally Posted by DocBrown I think this is something where we see things a bit differently. Sure a guy like Bob Overstreet or Matt Nelson is not going to grade every book 100% correctly under bad lighting or whatever other distractions are involved but if someone like that takes the time and effort to grade a book properly there is a very good chance they will get it right. There are no absolutes to grading like any other art but these guys know their stuff. If you are unwilling to take the word of one of the top experts who helped develop the grading standards what is the point in having a grading system at all? Your argument suggests that we are all just throwing darts anyway. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by MetalPSI Eliminating a text wall down to its pertinent information in a quote is simply common courtesy , which has gone COMPLETELY out the window in the last several posts now. Seriously wth guys I'm blind! 🤣🤣 |
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Quote:Originally Posted by DrWatson That's an awesome reference  |
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Quote:Originally Posted by drchaos Who said anything about being "unwilling to take the word of one of the top experts?" I've taken, and will likely continue to take, the word of Matt Nelson for a long time. And who hasn't learned much about comics from Bob Overstreet? You're not understanding what I've said, or where I'm coming from. That's not an insult...it's just an observation. Bob Overstreet AND Matt Nelson would both, I believe, say the same thing I'm saying: learn. Study. Gain experience. Don't rely SOLELY on any one, or two, or even ten people's opinions, regardless of how expert they are. It is OK to disagree with Bob Overstreet or Matt Nelson or whomever, and neither party be wrong, provided both parties are coming from a position of knowledge and experience (and Overstreet and Nelson certainly are.) I really don't understand why saying "learn how to grade on your own, and it will be a GREAT benefit to you" is interpreted as "if you can't take the word of the experts." No, I want YOU to become an expert, TOO...or, at least, enough of an expert to make wise purchases. I'm trying to lift everyone up, not tear anyone down. :shrug: Quote: Originally Posted by drchaos No, that's not what I've said, nor would it be fair to characterize my comments as such. That's not...at all...what I've said nor implied. If that's what you've taken from my posts, let me be completely transparent: that's not at all what I've said. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by shrewbeer So, it's discourteous to make a point, illustrate it with examples, data, and anecdote, discuss tangents, flesh out an argument, and make oneself clear? We're talking posts that aren't even the length of most of the letters in comic book letter columns, after all. Do you really think that's a fair or reasonable claim to make...? That someone is being DIScourteous because they go to the effort and trouble of making sure they're understandable? One would think making an effort to clearly and thoroughly communicate would be valued...not dismissed. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by shrewbeer I don't feel like taking a vacation today, so I'll just say "what he said."   |
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| If you're just referring to "nested quotes", that's fair, though I think that's a minor quibble...sometimes nested quotes are necessary to understand the entire conversation, but yes, sometimes they COULD be done away with...but that's a really minor quibble. But this whole "anti-text wall" thing is fairly insulting and dismissive. "I don't care what you have to say, because I don't like reading a lot." That's, in effect, what's being said. I'm not offended, because I recognize that I "over"explain on purpose, to be understood, but it is quite dismissive. What if there are people who enjoy reading these "text walls", because they find them to be informative and/or interesting? Wouldn't their opinions matter? |
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Quote:Originally Posted by DocBrown No you're missing the point. "Pertinent information". Its discourteous to include piles of quote that you are not specifically referencing. Sometimes you do this very well (as in your example above), and sometimes not. And when multiple people are just hitting the quote button on a pile of re-quotes in a row, holy hell.  |
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Quote:Originally Posted by shrewbeer That's a fair point (as noted above.) I will certainly make a more concerted effort to edit out redundant quoted material. |
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So....what we're saying is cbcs is a better choice for grading than cgc?  |
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Quote:Originally Posted by DocBrown I for one have enjoyed the discussion and the useful information provided on this thread. It sure beats the usual dribble of hype, spec & print runs that's usually found on comic book forums. Thanks @DocBrown |
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Quote:Originally Posted by shrewbeer LOL You and I would both be put out to pasture..... ;O) So that is that guy.......I never did wonder what he looked like. :o) |
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| @DocBrown 'Maybe I'm missing something, but that sounds redundant. "If you aren't willing to pay for the slabbing, it would be best not to slab"...? That seems self-evident...?" LOL Okay...okay...touche.... My comment was more so - for the obvious.....if you don't like how slabs come back, then maybe you shouldn't have submitted your book to be slabbed in the first place. It seems to me, that when a grade comes back lower than expected, some are surprised. Not me. If I gamble...I take a risk. The risk is a lower grade than what I am expecting. This has happened to me, but it has also gone the other way......like a book pre-screened as a 9.4 and came back a 9.6. I'm good either way....because I know I will only submit books that (a) I want slabbed - not worrying about the grade - and (b) submit only books that I hope to receive a high grade. If it doesn't - and we know it occurs, it was probably my error to begin with. I don't blame the companies for the low grades applied, because they have much better equipment than I....and after all...they are supposed to be the experts....not me. It's a gamble.....that I am willing to pay. Some are not. That was pretty much all I was trying to say. Cheers! |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Nino_013 Thank you, Nino.  |
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