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Feel free to use my post as a checklist. 4.23K	4.23K multi007 private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 1
	@Nuffsaid111 If you submit enough, you might want to upgrade your membership to qualify for the 15% off yourself. Plus you get that credit that helps defer the cost of the upgrade All you other points are valid.
	2 years ago	Post 76 • IP flag post

Collector 812	812 Retired_11B private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 3
	@Nuffsaid111 When mine return to the presser, it is to his building where he is. Most of the time I cannot be home when they deliver, and I really don't feel like driving to the FedEx or UPS store to do a pick up. And if I am traveling, I know my books are being taken care of. As far as the NR issue, I have some with a slight issue, but it doesn't really distract me. My issue, is the mislabeling of the titles you send in. There needs to be better QC.
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I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this. 76.4K	76.4K GAC private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 9
	Quote: Originally Posted by BigRedOne1944 Quote: Originally Posted by SidTheSquid Pretty simple solution to the Newton Ring problem; submit books to CBCS instead. Quote: Originally Posted by figment "Newton Rings not a problem!", says the only company that has them. That made me laugh out loud! Sometimes its better to be just thought ignorant on a subject, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt. Even worse when one doesn't take their own advice.
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I blame the forum gremlins. 20.74K	20.74K figment private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 12
	Quote: Originally Posted by BigRedOne1944 Quote: Originally Posted by SidTheSquid Pretty simple solution to the Newton Ring problem; submit books to CBCS instead. Quote: Originally Posted by figment "Newton Rings not a problem!", says the only company that has them. That made me laugh out loud! Sometimes its better to be just thought ignorant on a subject, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt. Newton Rings are NOT exclusive to just CGC. There are plenty of CBCS slabs with newton rings as well. 4 out of the 9 slabs I just got back from CBCS had small newton rings on then. These CGC smear threads are always ridiculously stupid. We now have hundreds of CBCS slabs and not one of them has Newton Rings. And it wouldn't be a "smear" thread unless there was something to smear them about.
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I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this. 76.4K	76.4K GAC private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 11
	Quote: Originally Posted by figment Quote: Originally Posted by BigRedOne1944 Quote: Originally Posted by SidTheSquid Pretty simple solution to the Newton Ring problem; submit books to CBCS instead. Quote: Originally Posted by figment "Newton Rings not a problem!", says the only company that has them. That made me laugh out loud! Sometimes its better to be just thought ignorant on a subject, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt. Newton Rings are NOT exclusive to just CGC. There are plenty of CBCS slabs with newton rings as well. 4 out of the 9 slabs I just got back from CBCS had small newton rings on then. These CGC smear threads are always ridiculously stupid. We now have hundreds of CBCS slabs and not one of them has Newton Rings. And it wouldn't be a "smear" thread unless there was something to smear them about. Same....I've got hundreds of cbcs slabs as well and not a single one has newton rings....I've got over a hundred CGC slabs and a high percentage do have newton rings.....it's not a smear campaign when it's true.
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I've spent years perfecting my brand of assholery. 56.74K	56.74K DrWatson private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 18
	@GAC When someone mentions a smear campaign, I think there's a sale on at the gynecologist.
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I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this. 76.4K	76.4K GAC private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 4
	@DrWatson lol!!! 50% off!
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I’m not an ant. I’m a rootin tootin Hornet! 3.56K	3.56K Zombie_Head private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 3
	I agree I also have couple hundred CBCS slabs and no Newton Rings. Sounds like someone must be a CGC bandwagon lover. Don’t get me started on the Newton Rings on my CGC cases it’s ridiculous.
	2 years ago	Post 83 • IP flag post

Beaten by boat oars 52.23K	52.23K Studley_Dudley private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 9
	I just read the 16 page thread over there. I was able to skip some of it because it's a lot of nonsense and nitpicking at each other. There are some legit gripes there. There was also a lot of cheerleading from a few people because CGC is intertwined with their livelihoods. All in all, it was a painful read for 16 pages but provided some insights into the moods and thoughts of some members over there as well as the policy. The 14 day window should definitely be expanded to 30 for international customers. Maybe a 21 day window for the domestic customer base. The Newton Rings are still a thing and probably always will be with CGC. I don't agree with the original submitter having to be the one to submit. I like to let my wallet do the talking, and since the Frankenslab fiasco from a few years back, I've more or less stopped submitting to CGC apart from a few books here and there. I think I have seven there now, zero last year, and three in 2021. I'm curious as to how many people will stop submitting to CGC. It seems like something happens every so often to rile up the base then it goes back to business as usual for the company and submitters.
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I'm waiting.... (tapping fingers).
Splotches is gettin old!

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Originally Posted by GAC
Even worse when one doesn't take their own advice.

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it's not a smear campaign when it's true.

Bravo!!!
I didn't want to get into it with a BigRedTrollClown that early in the morning just spewing falsehoods, but glad you called him out. And notice his caveat so he has an out of "small newton rings" with CBCS. Uh huh... right.

I'm "small" Santa Claus with my white razor stubble

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Why just the women? I like bears. 3.43K	3.43K Gaard private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 1
	Quote: Originally Posted by KatKomics Quote: Originally Posted by Nuffsaid111 Quote: Originally Posted by Retired_11B Quote: Originally Posted by Nuffsaid111 You're on the clock: 13 days, 18 hours, 23 minutes to get it back to CGC. Go! (side note: hope you're the submitter; otherwise do not pass Go) Such a wonderful policy. What a great company. They're just the best. I can't say it enough times. I had my presser send them back immediately. My name isn't on the order, he presses and then submits them for me. Charges less than the companies do, plus he is very efficient at it. Yep - I'm in the same boat as you with my presser submitting under his account. I guess I can't handle the breakages and returns without involving the presser now. Just utter ridiculousness. lol...soooo..how long before pressers say they've had enough and stop returning them for customers? If the issue is as pervasive as it seems they will have to devote time/effort to dealing with this taking away from their actual business - can't see them doing it for long Pressers will, unfortunately, probably just raise their prices. It's just logical ... they have to do more work, afterall.
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I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this. 76.4K	76.4K GAC private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 3
	Quote: Originally Posted by Nuffsaid111 Quote: Originally Posted by GAC Even worse when one doesn't take their own advice. Quote: Originally Posted by GAC it's not a smear campaign when it's true. Bravo!!! I didn't want to get into it with a BigRedTrollClown that early in the morning just spewing falsehoods, but glad you called him out. And notice his caveat so he has an out of "small newton rings" with CBCS. Uh huh... right. I'm "small" Santa Claus with my white razor stubble lol!!!!!!!!!
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I have not set up at a con since 2029. 1.35K	1.35K PolarisNuclearSS2020 private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 1
	Quote: Originally Posted by Gaard Quote: Originally Posted by KatKomics Quote: Originally Posted by Nuffsaid111 Quote: Originally Posted by Retired_11B Quote: Originally Posted by Nuffsaid111 You're on the clock: 13 days, 18 hours, 23 minutes to get it back to CGC. Go! (side note: hope you're the submitter; otherwise do not pass Go) Such a wonderful policy. What a great company. They're just the best. I can't say it enough times. I had my presser send them back immediately. My name isn't on the order, he presses and then submits them for me. Charges less than the companies do, plus he is very efficient at it. Yep - I'm in the same boat as you with my presser submitting under his account. I guess I can't handle the breakages and returns without involving the presser now. Just utter ridiculousness. lol...soooo..how long before pressers say they've had enough and stop returning them for customers? If the issue is as pervasive as it seems they will have to devote time/effort to dealing with this taking away from their actual business - can't see them doing it for long Pressers will, unfortunately, probably just raise their prices. It's just logical ... they have to do more work, afterall. Yeah. Another reason why I would never press books for other people for $18, or whatever the average rate is now. It still blows my mind that people who submit regularly to either or both companies, don’t just buy a press and learn how to press. Pressing your own books does 3 things…..saves pressing fees, lessens TAT. Cuts down the odds of book damage- less number of hands on a book. When I started pressing, I had to learn by trial and error. Now, there’s tutorial pressing books AND YouTube channels.
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Not trying to be an ass since February 12, 2020. 10.94K	10.94K HulkSmash private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 10
	Quote: Originally Posted by ComicHoarder Quote: Originally Posted by Gaard Quote: Originally Posted by KatKomics Quote: Originally Posted by Nuffsaid111 Quote: Originally Posted by Retired_11B Quote: Originally Posted by Nuffsaid111 You're on the clock: 13 days, 18 hours, 23 minutes to get it back to CGC. Go! (side note: hope you're the submitter; otherwise do not pass Go) Such a wonderful policy. What a great company. They're just the best. I can't say it enough times. I had my presser send them back immediately. My name isn't on the order, he presses and then submits them for me. Charges less than the companies do, plus he is very efficient at it. Yep - I'm in the same boat as you with my presser submitting under his account. I guess I can't handle the breakages and returns without involving the presser now. Just utter ridiculousness. lol...soooo..how long before pressers say they've had enough and stop returning them for customers? If the issue is as pervasive as it seems they will have to devote time/effort to dealing with this taking away from their actual business - can't see them doing it for long Pressers will, unfortunately, probably just raise their prices. It's just logical ... they have to do more work, afterall. Yeah. Another reason why I would never press books for other people for $18, or whatever the average rate is now. It still blows my mind that people who submit regularly to either or both companies, don’t just buy a press and learn how to press. Pressing your own books does 3 things…..saves pressing fees, lessens TAT. Cuts down the odds of book damage- less number of hands on a book. When I started pressing, I had to learn by trial and error. Now, there’s tutorial pressing books AND YouTube channels. we also pay people who we trust know what they are doing and will select to appropriate method(s) to clean up our books instead of crushing the shit out of them. You say it like we’re ironing slacks. I don’t see how Pressing our own books will reduce damages if we don’t know what the hell we are doing during the “trial and error” period. Lessens TATs? Who gives a shit. This is America; we throw money at problems to make them go away.
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Collector 25.23K	25.23K poka private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Quote: Originally Posted by multi007 Here's the problem I have with this approach My submissions to CGC under my presser's account - 15% off every comic graded My submissions to CGC under my account - No discount If presser is given you 15% discount then believe he is losing money as max discount CGC is given is 10% (unless there are some special deals)
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I'm waiting.... (tapping fingers). Splotches is gettin old! 20.27K	20.27K Nuffsaid111 private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Quote: Originally Posted by poka Quote: Originally Posted by multi007 Here's the problem I have with this approach My submissions to CGC under my presser's account - 15% off every comic graded My submissions to CGC under my account - No discount If presser is given you 15% discount then believe he is losing money as max discount CGC is given is 10% (unless there are some special deals) It's 15% I get the invoice from cgc Hes not losing money on me
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Collector 25.23K	25.23K poka private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 3
	Quote: Originally Posted by Nuffsaid111 Quote: Originally Posted by poka Quote: Originally Posted by multi007 Here's the problem I have with this approach My submissions to CGC under my presser's account - 15% off every comic graded My submissions to CGC under my account - No discount If presser is given you 15% discount then believe he is losing money as max discount CGC is given is 10% (unless there are some special deals) It's 15% I get the invoice from cgc Hes not losing money on me Ok. He must have a dealer account then
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I'm waiting.... (tapping fingers). Splotches is gettin old! 20.27K	20.27K Nuffsaid111 private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 5
	Quote: Originally Posted by poka Ok. He must have a dealer account then Correctamundo!
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I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this. 76.4K	76.4K GAC private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 6

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I'm waiting.... (tapping fingers). Splotches is gettin old! 20.27K	20.27K Nuffsaid111 private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 3
	That's so funny. Sometimes I don't even know where I get my words from.... lol. Now I remember! The other day I responded to a friend/coworker with "soitanly". She quickly responded with "oh you watch the 3 stooges"? I had forgotten where I took that from as well
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I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this. 76.4K	76.4K GAC private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 3
	Quote: Originally Posted by Nuffsaid111 That's so funny. Sometimes I don't even know where I get my words from.... lol. Now I remember! The other day I responded to a friend/coworker with "soitanly". She quickly responded with "oh you watch the 3 stooges"? I had forgotten where I took that from as well lol!!! same with me and I love saying amundo....I say it to my wife and friends all the time....any way i can fit it in because I find it freaking hilarious lol!!
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	I've had quite a few CGC submittals over the past year - very little NRs on them. Bought one GA book on eBay a few years back that looked like an oil slick and I returned that to the seller. I do the modern slabs thing with CGC and have had good luck with them so far.
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" . " 17.18K	17.18K Davethebrave private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 2
	From my limited direct submissions to CGC over past 18 months (5 or 6 books) zero NR issues. Of my modest CGC collection, I’d say about 15% have them and a couple books have bad ones (detract, at least when viewing on an angle). Of the couple books with bad ones, one I was aware of while bidding and was happy it suffered from them… because I think it helped keep the pricing lower (by more than the cost of correcting). Since I don’t display most of my books and care about the book itself more than the plastic box, it works out just fine. Edit: of course I prefer NO NR but between dealing with them vs a less tamper evident case and/or higher costs, I’ll “accept” them. In the hierarchy of priorities they are low.
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Captain Corrector 6.12K	6.12K CaptainCanuck private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 1
	Quote: Originally Posted by WalkinWillie I've had quite a few CGC submittals over the past year - very little NRs on them. Bought one GA book on eBay a few years back that looked like an oil slick and I returned that to the seller. I do the modern slabs thing with CGC and have had good luck with them so far. This raises a question. If rings aren’t considered defects according to CGC (and thus, non-returnable), should sellers be on the hook for them?
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-Our Odin- Rest in Peace 39.35K	39.35K Jesse_O private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 6
	Quote: Originally Posted by CaptainCanuck Quote: Originally Posted by WalkinWillie I've had quite a few CGC submittals over the past year - very little NRs on them. Bought one GA book on eBay a few years back that looked like an oil slick and I returned that to the seller. I do the modern slabs thing with CGC and have had good luck with them so far. This raises a question. If rings aren’t considered defects according to CGC (and thus, non-returnable), should sellers be on the hook for them? IMO, if a seller won't accept a return for excessive newton rings, I'll go elsewhere. I don't have blind obedience to any seller like some submitters do to CGC.
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-Our Odin- Rest in Peace 39.35K	39.35K Jesse_O private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 4
	Just out of curiosity, does anyone know of any other company that has a "mechanical error" option on their submission form? I've always had to contact a company first and get a rga (returned goods authorization) or a return form of some sort to fill out. I'm wondering at what point it became more convenient to just have the option on the submission form.
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Collector 25.23K	25.23K poka private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 5
	Quote: Originally Posted by Jesse_O Quote: Originally Posted by CaptainCanuck Quote: Originally Posted by WalkinWillie I've had quite a few CGC submittals over the past year - very little NRs on them. Bought one GA book on eBay a few years back that looked like an oil slick and I returned that to the seller. I do the modern slabs thing with CGC and have had good luck with them so far. This raises a question. If rings aren’t considered defects according to CGC (and thus, non-returnable), should sellers be on the hook for them? IMO, if a seller won't accept a return for excessive newton rings, I'll go elsewhere. I don't have blind obedience to any seller like some submitters do to CGC. This is one reason I no longer sell slabs via ebay. Another favorite is buyers who return slabs because a slab is not in Mint condition. OR buyers who think they grade better than grading companies
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-Our Odin- Rest in Peace 39.35K	39.35K Jesse_O private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Quote: Originally Posted by poka Quote: Originally Posted by Jesse_O Quote: Originally Posted by CaptainCanuck Quote: Originally Posted by WalkinWillie I've had quite a few CGC submittals over the past year - very little NRs on them. Bought one GA book on eBay a few years back that looked like an oil slick and I returned that to the seller. I do the modern slabs thing with CGC and have had good luck with them so far. This raises a question. If rings aren’t considered defects according to CGC (and thus, non-returnable), should sellers be on the hook for them? IMO, if a seller won't accept a return for excessive newton rings, I'll go elsewhere. I don't have blind obedience to any seller like some submitters do to CGC. This is one reason I no longer sell slabs via ebay. Another favorite is buyers who return slabs because a slab is not in Mint condition. OR buyers who think they grade better than grading companies One of the reasons you stopped selling on eBay is because buyers were returning CGC slabs with excessive newton rings? Question: if the rings were excessive, why did you not get CGC to reholder them before selling them?
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Collector 25.23K	25.23K poka private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Quote: Originally Posted by Jesse_O Quote: Originally Posted by poka Quote: Originally Posted by Jesse_O Quote: Originally Posted by CaptainCanuck Quote: Originally Posted by WalkinWillie I've had quite a few CGC submittals over the past year - very little NRs on them. Bought one GA book on eBay a few years back that looked like an oil slick and I returned that to the seller. I do the modern slabs thing with CGC and have had good luck with them so far. This raises a question. If rings aren’t considered defects according to CGC (and thus, non-returnable), should sellers be on the hook for them? IMO, if a seller won't accept a return for excessive newton rings, I'll go elsewhere. I don't have blind obedience to any seller like some submitters do to CGC. This is one reason I no longer sell slabs via ebay. Another favorite is buyers who return slabs because a slab is not in Mint condition. OR buyers who think they grade better than grading companies One of the reasons you stopped selling on eBay is because buyers were returning CGC slabs with excessive newton rings? Question: if the rings were excessive, why did you not get CGC to reholder them before selling them? “Excessive” is very subjective. I have had buyers return with the faintest newton ring. Oh and latest when I just uploaded a few slabs last month is a $800 book which is now being returned by French Customs as it was not cleared in French customs on time because the buyer did not check the tracking or the SMSs French customs sent him. And of course ebay forced me to refund him within 3 days while I can wait for months before I get my book back
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Captain Corrector 6.12K	6.12K CaptainCanuck private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 7
	. If you can’t accept the possibility of rings, don’t buy a CGC slab, and certainly don’t blame the seller for it. These are known side effects of CGC holders.
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