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| My issue with this is the "Mechanical Error" policy as a whole. I can understand charging $20+ for a new casing, as many might want the new trendy label, or simply have their comic look as nice as possible. But to enforce that on subs after a 14 day policy, or just simply enforce it on those who bought said comic from said sub? No thanks. If the debris is a mechanical error, the re-casing should be free regardless of who owns it. Everything else could be charged since the removal of that $20 is a better policy-based move. Especially if the buyer had help from a family or friend, or even preordered it from an online comic shop. Plus, as a follow-up to what @DrWatson is saying, the only reason why I would pick up a CGC graded 9.4-9.6 is simply because there are no CBCS 9.4-9.8 copies of what I want for sale. |
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| My last order had 3 with the wrong information on them. | ||
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 I'm good with splotches.
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| You're on the clock: 13 days, 18 hours, 23 minutes to get it back to CGC. Go! (side note: hope you're the submitter; otherwise do not pass Go) Such a wonderful policy. What a great company. They're just the best. I can't say it enough times. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Nuffsaid111 Best way to avoid cracked slabs is to limit each invoice to 10 books. A 10 book per invoice means that 10 book invoice will be shipped in a box that weighs under 20 pounds; , which means those 10 slabs will be shipped in CGC’s “standard shipping kit box”. The next size up box is IIRC,fits close to 50 pounds worth of slabs. The average worker is going to be heavy handed with a box weighing close to 50 pounds. All there is protecting those slabs in a 50 pound box (or a 10 book slab box) is about 1 1/2 to 1 3/4 of cardboard. The inner cardboard buffer on the Bottom of those boxes is just under an inch thick but it is NOT dense cardboard. One drop on a corner of the box from waist level can crack a handful of slabs. Then at the next delivery point, say it gets dropped again-  , now upwards of half the slabs in the box are cracked.I recall getting about 30 slabs from CGC in one box via ups ground back in 2016. These were different boxes, and much better constructed with bubble wrap and a cardboard insert between every slab. Also, those were pre 4/4/20-6 holders- those slabs are considerably lighter than the bricks that CGC has used since 4/2016. None of those slabs were cracked or had newton rings. Soon as CGC switched over to their “shipping kit” style shipping boxes, I switched over to 10 books per invoice. Far as Newton Rings, they will continue to be a problem, unless CGC redesigns their holders. That should not fall onto the submitter- I can understand CHC not reholdering every slab with newton rings on them but slabs that are covered with newton rings are an eyesore and that hurts marketability of a book. Again, if the 2020-21 bubble was still flowing strong, then okay, CGC could pass the buck on newton rings onto the submitter because the submitter could AFFORD to eat reholdwr costs. Not the case anymore, on the majority of books. |
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| In the end, the prisms are not part of the comic, so they are not part of the grade. Buyers are going to have to trust the brand to have the comic that matches the grade sticker, regardless of slab condition. Will buyers trust them and keep buying? Do you trust the grade of the comic in the slab matches the label? Or verify yourself raw? | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by codychunn Most books will sell for much more if slabbed opposed to raw. But they can’t be oil slicked up, collectors DGAF if it’s light refractions that don’t effect the grade- they pay a premium for slabbed books and the eye appeal of the slabbed book is a big factor in that premium. I primarily do not buy slabbed books, I dry clean/press books and get them slabbed for resale. I primarily buy raw books off eBay in lots from people who generally are not comic dealers. Or raw books via BIN, off of saved want list searches; books that would sell for much more if listed in auction format. I put the time in hunting for books on eBay, 99% of collectors do not do that. Lot auction buys and BIN saved search notifications is how I get virtually all of the raws I buy from eBay. But again, am not representative of the typical slabbed book buyer. The average buyer of CGC slabs generally doesn’t have a good grasp on grading, and generally will pass by books with newton rings- even if they are sold in auction format. This means the submitter, whom is most of the times a dealer and not the end point buyer/collector, will have to either sell cracked slabs and newton ringed up slabs either at a big discount via BIN or let them rip in auction, for significantly lower realized auction hammer prices. Alternatively, the dealer will eat the cost of reholdering and the time spent on that process. This is not sustainable, especially for smaller dealers, like myself. That’s why you see Instagram and Whatnot growing to compete with eBay. |
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| . Apparently, there is a fix for the rings using a piece of mylar. Haven’t tried it myself and not sure how long the fix lasts. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by CaptainCanuckIve done it with a strip of a back board. Slide it in the side and it separates the inner well from plastic. It doesn’t seem to last long as everything just relaxes back to the way it was. I suppose if you get books out to display for a little while it could relax a fella until they put it back in its box????? |
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Quote:Originally Posted by HulkSmash I think there is a good reason for Newton’s Rings. It has to do with the tamper evident sealing / how aggressive they are to minimize gaps and access. There is an evident tradeoff between the tamper proof/tolerances and mitigating the contact of the plastics. I assume they can eliminate the rings but at a cost. They aren’t making a decision to cause returns/“issues” unless there was a material and real cost to the alternative. The current state of things has a cost. For me, the tradeoff makes sense. Of course too many rings/distortions are distracting and take away from presentation. But I already find both major companies’ slabs less than ideal in terms of presentation. |
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| With all the innovation, invention, and engineering marvels; particularly in the last 100 years, it is fascinating to me that the incompetent, bozo the clown organization down there in Sarasota can't hire an engineer or two to resolve this after 20 something years. I am dumbfounded by the sheer incapability and ineptitude. |
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| Perhaps they already have a solution but it adds $3 per slab. Dealing with returns may cost them $1 per slab. Question is if it impacts demand (harder for them to measure). Look at it another way. Are CBCS slabs as tamper evident as CGC? If not, why not? The answer is the flip side of the same question. |
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 being an ass and being a clown are two very different things.
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Quote:Originally Posted by Nuffsaid111 It appears things have gone batty! |
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Quote:Originally Posted by HeinzDad I think a strip of mylar is the better approach. The backer board could tear apart and leave debris inside the slab. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Davethebrave I understand Financials. I'm in big business and have been for 40 years in manufacturing, engineering, and PMO. The issue is there's competition in a normal business environment. They've been operating unabated and they just don't give a shit because people still go to them because it makes financial sense for hobbyists. With many slabs nearing raw values for common books, and the volume of their mechanical errors I hope to god they lose significant market share. Incompetence, constant damages and their lack of integrity has finally hit a head. They better solve their real issues now because my $1 is going elsewhere now |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Nuffsaid111 I had my presser send them back immediately. My name isn't on the order, he presses and then submits them for me. Charges less than the companies do, plus he is very efficient at it. |
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 Not trying to be an ass since February 12, 2020.
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Nuffsaid111 private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by Retired_11B Yep - I'm in the same boat as you with my presser submitting under his account. I guess I can't handle the breakages and returns without involving the presser now. Just utter ridiculousness. |
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 Suck it up, buttercup!!
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Quote:Originally Posted by Nuffsaid111 lol...soooo..how long before pressers say they've had enough and stop returning them for customers? If the issue is as pervasive as it seems they will have to devote time/effort to dealing with this taking away from their actual business - can't see them doing it for long |
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being an ass and being a clown are two very different things.
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Quote:Originally Posted by SidTheSquid Quote: Originally Posted by figment Sometimes its better to be just thought ignorant on a subject, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt. Newton Rings are NOT exclusive to just CGC. There are plenty of CBCS slabs with newton rings as well. 4 out of the 9 slabs I just got back from CBCS had small newton rings on then. These CGC smear threads are always ridiculously stupid. |
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Just posted the CGC board and made my position clear in respect to their new Newton Ring policy. That said, I stopped short of suggesting they're the Exxon Valdez of grading services.   |
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Quote:Originally Posted by BigRedOne1944 Newton Rings are a smear tactic unto themselves. FTR, it isn't stupid to point out a bad policy. While I don't question the veracity of claiming there are CBCS graded books with NR, I've never seen any. What I have seen are CGC graded books with NR that I'd never consider buying and as a HG-GA collector, that ain't chicken feed. In spite of all that, I intend my criticisms to be constructive. I would still buy CGC graded books without NR just as I'd buy CBCS graded books. It isn't personal, it's aesthetics.  |
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| @Nuffsaid111 Was thinking... when i send to my presser, i might order the grading and give my presser my grading receipts so when he sends the pressed books in for me, they get submitted with my receipts/under my account. That might be the solution. |
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| @KatKomics they wont stop. they'll just say "$5 return fee". | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by multi007 Yes, this is an option. Here's the problem I have with this approach My submissions to CGC under my presser's account - 15% off every comic graded My submissions to CGC under my account - No discount I get the comics directly shipped to me so I am the direct recipient of the graded comics. Shipment directly to My home address. There is no middle man that gets all the comics from various clients and re-distributes them to the various clients. I should be able to call customer service if I have breakages and cracks; not my presser. Why the F does my presser need to get involved? With their current rate of damages seen (I'm not even considering Newton Rings; just good ol fashioned destruction of product), this poor guy is going to be involved every single shipment; from every single client And finally, they deserve a smear campaign when they make decisions that Bozo, Emmit Kelly, and Clarabelle would make. They need to fix the root cause of the recent systemic breakages and damage (again, not even speaking about newton rings) |
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multi007 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| @Nuffsaid111 If you submit enough, you might want to upgrade your membership to qualify for the 15% off yourself. Plus you get that credit that helps defer the cost of the upgrade All you other points are valid. |
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| @Nuffsaid111 When mine return to the presser, it is to his building where he is. Most of the time I cannot be home when they deliver, and I really don't feel like driving to the FedEx or UPS store to do a pick up. And if I am traveling, I know my books are being taken care of. As far as the NR issue, I have some with a slight issue, but it doesn't really distract me. My issue, is the mislabeling of the titles you send in. There needs to be better QC. |
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 It was a one trick pony show but always hilarious.
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Quote:Originally Posted by BigRedOne1944 Even worse when one doesn't take their own advice. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by BigRedOne1944 We now have hundreds of CBCS slabs and not one of them has Newton Rings. And it wouldn't be a "smear" thread unless there was something to smear them about. |
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It was a one trick pony show but always hilarious.
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Quote:Originally Posted by figment Same....I've got hundreds of cbcs slabs as well and not a single one has newton rings....I've got over a hundred CGC slabs and a high percentage do have newton rings.....it's not a smear campaign when it's true. |
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