Tales of Suspense 39 vs. Tales of Suspense 3919299
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figment private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Here's one... Tales of Suspense #39 CGC FN/VF 7.0 Off-white pages ...and here's the other... Tales of Suspense #39 CBCS FN/VF 7.0 White pages Will the industry juggernaut wipe up the new guy? Will white pages be the difference for the underdog? Does Tony Stark even care? 15 days to find out! Place your bets ladies and gentlemen, the game's afoot! |
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Broker1 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| That's awesome, can't wait to see how that plays out - I only wish they had the same page colors! | ||
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Element_Lad private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by Broker1Same. The white pages would be the difference for my money if the same grade. |
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consumetheliving private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I honestly hope the CBCS wins. The comic value should be equal to the grade (subjective) condition, not the label above it. | ||
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 I showed my wife and she was so happy for me she started to cry.
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Batman66 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Recently a hulk 1 cgc 7.0 wp and a cbcs 7.5 wp both sold at the same auction, just going by memory 63k for the cgc 7.0 and 56k for the cbcs 7.5. | ||
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Studley_Dudley private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by Batman66 If that's the case, someone is a f***ing idiot. |
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cesidio private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by Studley_Dudley Unfortunately this seem to be right. The other guy is still getting a 20% premium over cbcs,why? I Have no idea. |
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Spaceguy private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Another way to look at this is from the perspective of the collector-buyer(remember those?) The CGC copy notes 5 of 6 concerns on the back cover: Grader Notes fingerprints left center of back cover fingerprints right top of back cover light wear full top of back cover light, multiple crease left bottom of back cover small, multiple stain right center of back cover spine stress lines breaks color while the CSBC notes are all about the front cover: Notes: few spine stress & tiny corner & edge wear to cover some breaks color front cover few small creases to cover some breaks color front cover couple tiny tears to cover edges few tiny light stains to cover, small writing in pen top 1st page |
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James42 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| The CBCS book looks good; the stains on the back of the CGC really detract from the visual appeal. Another comparison that makes me question the validity of CGC grades on older books. | ||
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chester15 private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by consumetheliving In a sanitized world, that should be the case. History shows that the label makes a HUGE difference. Otherwise, the prices attained by raw comics wouldn't be so distant from slabbed. As to which slab label carries more weight, that also seems to be painfully obvious. |
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Broker1 private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by cesidio You almost seem surprised that there are idiots out there  |
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southerncross private msg quote post Address this user | |
| The CGC book looks like it has those neuton rings going on the front cover? | ||
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Davethebrave private msg quote post Address this user | |
| CGC book has a nicer spine and is the better looking book overall. It has better centering, fewer creases on FC. Unfortunately the case has Newtonâs rings and that detracts from presentation. The CBCS book has more creasing overall (FC, right middle/bottom), equivalent page edges and corner damage but also rusty staples. The biggest flaw of the CGC book vs CBCS are the couple of minor stains on BC but it doesnât detract from its main presentation quality overall (which is superior). Biggest visible flaw (in addition to worse spine) of the CBCS book is the one or two rusty staples (top staple is clearly rusted). Of course the interior pen markings on page for the CBCS book is a hidden defect⌠Both look fairly graded overall but I would choose the CGC book by a small margin over the CBCS book. While the Newtonâs rings on the CGC copyâs case are unfortunate, it isnât actual damage to the book so doesnât factor into value (especially at this price point). Those rusty staples (with some rust migration) and the worse cut on the CBCS book outweigh the very slightly better page quality. |
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 I'm good with splotches.
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Nuffsaid111 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I'll take the 7.0 raw candidate; checked for resto, for thousands & thousands less | ||
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HAmistoso private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Looks like Silver Man imho... | ||
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 Not trying to be an ass since February 12, 2020.
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HulkSmash private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I would bet on the CBCS WP. Personally Iâd opt for the WP if looking at equal books. Page condition speaks a lot to me; probably more than it should. | ||
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poka private msg quote post Address this user | |
| This type of books - CGC or CBCS does not matter. CBCS will win as it presents better | ||
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 It was a one trick pony show but always hilarious.
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GAC private msg quote post Address this user | |
| It will be close...it could go either way.....there won't be a huge difference like the Hulk 1 example above....CBCS should edge out CGC on the page quality but most collectors know PQ isn't really important especially between white pages and ow pages. | ||
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Jgwalters100 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I am fairly new to these kinds of sales and grading. I don't have the knowledge of graded books like most of you. I have always read that white Pages are much more valuable so I am guessing that will win out regardless of the grading company. | ||
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 Feel free to use my post as a checklist.
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multi007 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| It shouldnt be that way. Prices should be equal. Ive read on the the other guy's forums that if they buy a cbcs slab, they crack it and send it in to cgc because of the value bump. personally, I would not do that. | ||
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consumetheliving private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by multi007 I have done this as well, in my case the book was "improved" so I got a grade bump. Also turn around times were much better at CGC so they got my book. |
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Jesse_O private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by consumetheliving If that means something other than dry cleaning and pressing, please give me your seller name for any site. I want to keep it for future reference. |
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consumetheliving private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by Jesse_O Nope, just those two, I've messed around with other procedures on junk books but nothing of any value. It's amazing what an artist's eraser, humidity, heat, and time can do. |
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codychunn private msg quote post Address this user | |
| The CGC one looks like it has cleaned spots around IM. | ||
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Davethebrave private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by codychunn No, those are effects of plastic on plastic (same cause as Newtonâs rings). This causes some areas to look lightened vs other areas. Though unclear what âIMâ means ⌠âIMOâ cut off? âInside Middleâ ⌠xray vision? |
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Davethebrave private msg quote post Address this user | |
| What is real is this staple on the CBCS book. Iron Man looks a bit oxidized. They are both nice copies and like I said, both look fairly graded.  |
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| @Davethebrave IM = "Iron Man" | ||
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Davethebrave private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by codychunn Okay, those look like contact points between the plastics as I described above. Not on the book. You can see the rainbow/color separation (Newtonâs rings effects) on the transition points. |
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figment private msg quote post Address this user | |
| So I'm curious... What do you folks think about Heritage putting them right next to each other in the same auction? Is that a dis-service to the sellers? Is it okay because the labels make them different? |
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 If I could, I would. I swear.
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DrWatson private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I would have run them separately. Having them in the same auction is splitting the bids. | ||
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