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Quote:Originally Posted by Scifinator ->>Mags are notoriously easy to spine stress. The least little pinch dings them up. The large format makes the corners extra-susceptible to damage. Best of luck! |
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Quote:Originally Posted by lawguy1977 Grading too low vs accepted standards is, put simply, poor grading. There is a perverse incentive that may not be apparent and may never be acted upon but still worth understanding. The incentive to intentionally under-grade. It may be counterintuitive but a grading company can potentially remedy a market perception issue by under-grading. How? Well, in theory it would work like this: * consistently under-grade books * buyers take notice * arbitrage opportunity to buy books with the label from the undergrader (let’s call Company “A”), crack and submit to the other grader (Company “Z”) for a more accurate (in this case higher) grade - profit The above would lead to increased sales prices for the Company A books (at a given grade). In theory, the pricing could (should) exceed pricing for Company Z label books in a respective grade. This could (should) lead to more buyer demand for Company A graded books. Of course it is back-asswards and circular logic. But the near-term impact would be to drive headline prices in-grade higher for Company A books. The counter of course is submitters pay the price during this under-grading period. That could (should) reduce submission volumes. If Company A was already facing too much demand vs capacity this might be fine near-term. But if the headlines and secondary market deals drive more acceptance and demand, it may be an acceptable sacrifice. Over time Company A can adjust grading back in-line with industry standard. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Davethebrave |
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| @Davethebrave I’d prefer a seemingly over strict grade if it’s honest and true to the condition vs the grossly over graded gift. I could also see a more recent sub with a stringent grade as good. Meaning the CBCS ship may have been sinking, on fire, and hurtling out of control with demand and backlog, but still able to do their jobs rather than push quantity and let things slide. |
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| Grade shock. I love that term. Personally, I do believe that defects occurring on the back cover carry less weight than if they were on the front. I have a few books with small back cover tears from when they used to used metal bands to bind books for shipment. If the same tear was on the front, I believe they would have graded lower. |
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| A cover is a cover. Back or front. That’s just me though. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by DWeeB1967 I had this discussion with my hippie pal Borock several months ago, and he was trying to argue (with other unnamed graders) that back cover defects should not carry the same weight as front cover defects, that fell on def ears. So for now, graders deduct defects front & back egually.......... |
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| Grading the back cover unequally to the front cover is like a car dealer not considering a dent on the passenger side door as severely as a dent on the driver side door. There are people who will do these things, but I don't agree with either practice. | ||
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| I don't mind that defects on the cover - front or back - are given the same weight as long as things are consistent. The HUGE advantage to defects on the back cover comes when it's time to sell. A pretty front cover will sell much faster and for a better price than a crunchy front cover, even if it's the same grade. | ||
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| I don't mind books with defects on the back cover compared to the front cover. Front cover has the artwork most of the time where the back cover has the ad page.   |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Jesse_O That's not a valid cargument. It would have to be a ding on the exterior (front cover) compared to a ding on the undercarriage (back cover). |
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| I think byrdibyrd and southerncross make my point very succinctly. | ||
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| @southerncross That Sub-Mariner is amazing, and there's some specialness going on with that back cover. |
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| I think a lot of this boils down to where you find the value in the item. To me, the front and back cover should be equal in weight. A missing coupon is a missing coupon, whether cut from an ad or story page. The value for me of a comic is not just in the art or story, but as an encapsulation of a moment in culture and the industry. But that's me. I prefer tighter grading to looser, and don't mind a lower grade book if I feel I can trust the grade. |
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Byrdibyrd private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by James42 Couldn't have put it better. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Byrdibyrd Glad they didn't do that all over the standard American encyclopedia. That would have just ruined it...  |
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Quote:Originally Posted by HeinzDad Except it isn't. I'd rather have a scar on the back of my head as opposed to right between my eyes. Nothing personal. You're beautiful from all angles, B. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by DrWatsonDoes your example effect your grade? |
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Quote:Originally Posted by southerncross So what would someone grade this book as-is? Now, swap all those holes to the front. Same grade? |
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Quote:Originally Posted by HeinzDad Yes, I go from a swipe left to a swipe right. |
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 Have I told you about the time I dropped off 3,000 comics at SDCC?
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Quote:Originally Posted by Byrdibyrd Agreed, when I bought, I figured 6.5 pressable to an accurate 7.0 not the 6.0 received. And, as far as the cgc notes, keep in mind, they may not have "missed" the tiny stain on top front, but just chose to leave off the notes for space and time as it didn't overly affect the grade as much as the larger back stain. Quote: Originally Posted by lawguy1977 |
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Quote:Originally Posted by DrWatsonaaaaaaaannnddddddd, I’m officially done here. |
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| because of how 2 of my 4 comics came out. i inspect more closely on the comic. I mean Im fine with a 8.0 or 9.0 but depending on the comic. might not want a 6.0 from 2011 | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by DrWatson I've never owned a smartphone, but I'm pretty sure I understand this. |
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| sheesh, Boomers. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by southerncross Now that you all have seen my book let me explain the grade. Some here have mentioned that a cover is a cover and you grade it whether the defect is on the front or back cover. you're correct. Some say that defects on the back cover affect the grade differently then the defect on the front cover. you're also correct. Now with multiple punch holes thru the cover the book technically is in the good range. Now with the punch holes thru the back cover and the front cover is clean looking with gloss the book grades on the high good range. A good/very good 3.0. Now if those same punch holes were thru the front cover the technical grade is still in the good range but it really effects the look of the front cover and art work. So the book would grade on the low good range with this major defect. Fair/good 1.5- good- 1.8. I could never see a book with multiple punch holes thru the front cover getting a solid good or good+ Now when it comes to defects you never takes points off, this is such a weird term I always hear. You list the defects and certain defects are allowed in certain grades. An example. You have a 80 year old comic that looks perfect. Sharp corners no spine ticks, no color rubs nothing. Looks like the book had just been printed. But! There is slight rust on the top staple. That's when you look at grading definitions to find the highest grade that defects is allowed. You don't take points off. Let's pretend the highest grade for staples with slight rust allowed is the Fine/Very fine range. Then you look at the rest off the book and it looks sweet. A final grade would be 7.5. highest grade allowed with that defect. Rant over 🤪  |
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| @southerncross all I heard was 3.0 is highest allowed grade for a Swiss cheese back cover. And nice book! The good ol days of supes drowning, crushing, and beating to death enemy soldiers. |
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| @HulkSmash thanks, reason I originally picked it up many years ago because it was cheap and I love buying cheap books that I'd never own in mid grade or higher. | ||
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| @southerncross Not to be argumentative, but it's just a scale of Points = Grade You start at the bottom and go up to the highest grade/point value that allows the defects the book displays. I start at the top and ask the book why it isn't a freaking TEN and go down the scale of defects until it passes one threshold but not the next. This usually hits at 7.5 (F?)with small creases allowed (on front cover), but disallowed on an 8 (VF?) Maybe a tiny one on a corner if the rest of the cover can pass an 8, according to the overstreet grading guide, anyway. And if memory serves. "Tired now, boss...dog tired." |
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Quote:Originally Posted by codychunn Start at the bottom or start at the top doesn't matter. What matters are defects detailed and what grades allow that defect and do on until you get the grade range assigned. Then from there it's a final appraisal to you get the correct grade. Easily done  |
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