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Where's his Bat-package? Byrdibyrd private msg quote post Address this user
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CBCSVD... seems that they might have thought a little harder about that code

LOL!!!
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Collector Thomas8683 private msg quote post Address this user
I like using CBCS they come to a local show. I started using them because the CBCS rep was so nice. I had no problems with customer service. At the time CBCS was cheaper but now they seem to be the same cost as CGC. A LCS said if I went through them I get 25% off. It also sucks that my CBCs are worth less than CGC. I feel like the CBCS cases are just overall better.
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Where's his Bat-package? Byrdibyrd private msg quote post Address this user
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I feel like the CBCS cases are just overall better.

It's not your imagination. Pick up a CGC slab and give it a little twist/bend and you can hear it creaking/cracking. Do the same with a CBCS slab and it's rock solid. IMHO, there's no contest which is the more secure, protective slab.
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past performance is no guarantee of future actions. KatKomics private msg quote post Address this user
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15% off Valentine's Day coupon code (CBCSVD... seems that they might have thought a little harder about that code)


had no idea CBCS had VD...sorry...a VD special
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Hmm... Moderated again! figment private msg quote post Address this user
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@JustThatGuy TAT'S at CGC are shorter than a month


Unless you're grading vintage, then CBCS is currently MUCH faster.
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would be nice to have a snugger fit. Sigur_Ros private msg quote post Address this user
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I like using CBCS they come to a local show. I started using them because the CBCS rep was so nice. I had no problems with customer service.

That's not the customer service people are talking about.
It's the customer service when there is a problem or simple question.

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I feel like the CBCS cases are just overall better.

They are. Much better.
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You do know that the new guy brings the donuts, right? DWeeB1967 private msg quote post Address this user
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15% off Valentine's Day coupon code (CBCSVD... seems that they might have thought a little harder about that code)


had no idea CBCS had VD...sorry...a VD special



... and the code did work in the online submission form. 👍
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I'm waiting.... (tapping fingers).
Splotches is gettin old!
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I find myself selecting the company that has me less aggravated & frustrated & angry at the time of submission.
Instead of selecting which one is "better"; I select which one is performing better on the bottom of the scale at that moment.

Pretty sad state of affairs when dealing with virtual monopolies
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Collector poka private msg quote post Address this user
TAT modern

CGC: 1 week
CBCS: 1 year
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I'm waiting.... (tapping fingers).
Splotches is gettin old!
Nuffsaid111 private msg quote post Address this user
They are both "1"'s so that's good
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Collector SpiderTim private msg quote post Address this user
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@JustThatGuy TAT'S at CGC are shorter than a month


Unless you're grading vintage, then CBCS is currently MUCH faster.


It nice that you bring this up. What I think that means is that CGC much longer time to grade pre 1975 books means they have a lot of submissions which would mean people prefer grading Vintage books at CGC because of their higher value. CBCS 40 days tells me they don't have a lot of those submissions around. Overall CGC has a lot more submissions than CBCS which also makes me think how short staffed CBCS might be.
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would be nice to have a snugger fit. Sigur_Ros private msg quote post Address this user
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TAT modern

CGC: 1 week
CBCS: 1 year

I can vouch. This is pretty accurate.
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You do know that the new guy brings the donuts, right? DWeeB1967 private msg quote post Address this user
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It also sucks that my CBCs are worth less than CGC.

I don't know that this is always the case anymore. I'm sure that CBCS books still sell for less than CGC sometimes but, these days, I am seeing even well known dealers who historically had sold CBCS for less than CGC selling the same grade for the same price.

My suggestion: if you see a dealer selling a CBCS book for less than FMV buy it.
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Collector SpiderTim private msg quote post Address this user
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It also sucks that my CBCs are worth less than CGC.

I don't know that this is always the case anymore. I'm sure that CBCS books still sell for less than CGC sometimes but, these days, I am seeing even well known dealers who historically had sold CBCS for less than CGC selling the same grade for the same price.

My suggestion: if you see a dealer selling a CBCS book for less than FMV buy it.


which FMV? CGC FMV?
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You do know that the new guy brings the donuts, right? DWeeB1967 private msg quote post Address this user
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which FMV? CGC FMV?


Then let me rephrase...

If you see a dealer selling a CBCS book for less than YOU BELIEVE TO BE the current value (whatever that means to you) buy it.
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would be nice to have a snugger fit. Sigur_Ros private msg quote post Address this user
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It also sucks that my CBCs are worth less than CGC.

I don't know that this is always the case anymore. I'm sure that CBCS books still sell for less than CGC sometimes but, these days, I am seeing even well known dealers who historically had sold CBCS for less than CGC selling the same grade for the same price.

My suggestion: if you see a dealer selling a CBCS book for less than FMV buy it.

I would never pay as much for a CBCS book as I would a CGC because the labels hold different values.
You say "sometimes" CBCS sells for less then CGC....but the correct phrase would be "almost all the time".

It's unfortunate, but it's reality.
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I've spent years perfecting my brand of assholery. DrWatson private msg quote post Address this user
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It also sucks that my CBCS are worth less than CGC.

This is just a mindset. The only reason a CBCS book might be worth less than the cgc counterpart is if the seller let's it be worth less. There's no other reason. If someone is buying one book over the other just because of the label, then they might as well have a collection of nothing but labeled empty slabs, because that's all they've bought.

The venue where this is most obvious is at auction. Most auction platforms will list the same book in the same grade by the different grading companies in the same auction. The cgc book is typically listed first. The CBCS book is listed second. This means the cgc book ends first. Once it has sold, you've taken out an interested buyer. There's less interest in the second book. It sells for less. CBCS graded books have set record selling prices for certain books in the past. The problem is GPA doesn't track the sale of CBCS graded books. In my opinion, that makes GPA less than the gold standard (the potential for manipulation aside)on sales that it used to be.

Personally, I will pay a premium for the CBCS graded book over the cgc graded one. It's funny that I never seem to find these CBCS graded books that are selling for less than their cgc graded counterpart. Any way, this is just the thoughts of a rambling collector who finally figured out that collecting is better if I unplugged myself from the cgc matrix. A pretty book is a pretty book regardless of what someone else tries to convince you.
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You do know that the new guy brings the donuts, right? DWeeB1967 private msg quote post Address this user
Then it sounds like you're on the right track, @Sigur_Ros. You're already buying CBCS books when you see that they are selling for less than CGC. I would suggest anyone do that.
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I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this. GAC private msg quote post Address this user
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It also sucks that my CBCS are worth less than CGC.

This is just a mindset. The only reason a CBCS book might be worth less than the cgc counterpart is if the seller let's it be worth less. There's no other reason. If someone is buying one book over the other just because of the label, then they might as well have a collection of nothing but labeled empty slabs, because that's all they've bought.

The venue where this is most obvious is at auction. Most auction platforms will list the same book in the same grade by the different grading companies in the same auction. The cgc book is typically listed first. The CBCS book is listed second. This means the cgc book ends first. Once it has sold, you've taken out an interested buyer. There's less interest in the second book. It sells for less. CBCS graded books have set record selling prices for certain books in the past. The problem is GPA doesn't track the sale of CBCS graded books. In my opinion, that makes GPA less than the gold standard (the potential for manipulation aside)on sales that it used to be.

Personally, I will pay a premium for the CBCS graded book over the cgc graded one. It's funny that I never seem to find these CBCS graded books that are selling for less than their cgc graded counterpart. Any way, this is just the thoughts of a rambling collector who finally figured out that collecting is better if I unplugged myself from the cgc matrix. A pretty book is a pretty book regardless of what someone else tries to convince you.


Great post!!!!!
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" . " Davethebrave private msg quote post Address this user
Lots of logical inconsistencies in this thread.
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would be nice to have a snugger fit. Sigur_Ros private msg quote post Address this user
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Then it sounds like you're on the right track, @Sigur_Ros. You're already buying CBCS books when you see that they are selling for less than CGC. I would suggest anyone do that.

I don't buy CBCS books, and I rarely ever buy CGC. I buy raw and get grades. The point is, despite the desire to pretend otherwise, they just aren't worth the same. Dr Watson listed some reasons, and there are others. You only need to visit a single con to see this.

There are too many people who have been doing this for years and want to keep all their labels the same, or believe the stories about how erratic CBCS grading was (you see this constantly in the CGC forums), or simply hate the CBCS label. There are also a lot of people who have only heard of CGC. All those people are the reason there is a market standard label... and then all the rest.

I don't want this to be the case (no one here does, that's why you see so many "likes" and congratulatory responses when someone claims it's not the case), and we can all wish it wasn't, but it is. If it wasn't, the discussion wouldn't come up every few months.

It's too bad because as much as I hate their unwillingness to improve customer service, I still believe CBCS has the better product. But unfortunately, I can put 2 identical books/grades/prices up for sale, the CGC will always sell first. The CBCS price would have to be quite a bit lower to change that. If the price gap isn't big enough... they'll still go for the CGC.
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You do know that the new guy brings the donuts, right? DWeeB1967 private msg quote post Address this user
All I'm saying is what I'm seeing, @Sigur_Ros... there are dealers who historically have priced CBCS lower than CGC no longer doing so, at least in some cases. I'm not saying that some collectors don't still have bias toward CGC. That's obviously the case.

For me, though, I collect comics not labels. I buy some graded books (CGC and CBCS) and some raw. And, for those websites that I frequent, I'm just not seeing the price difference between CGC and CBCS for comparable books very often anymore.


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Collector poka private msg quote post Address this user
with regard to values - i charge the same for cbcs and cgc slab. many buyers look for the book not the slab.
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would be nice to have a snugger fit. Sigur_Ros private msg quote post Address this user
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there are dealers who historically have priced CBCS lower than CGC no longer doing so, at least in some cases.

I look forward to when more do the same.


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For me, though, I collect comics not labels.

Me too. But I don't pay more for a book than what it's worth.
And while people say they don't collect labels, they are still paying for them if they're graded.
Sometimes the same, most of the time not.
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You do know that the new guy brings the donuts, right? DWeeB1967 private msg quote post Address this user
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But I don't pay more for a book than what it's worth.
And while people say they don't collect labels, they are still paying for them if they're graded.
Sometimes the same, most of the time not.


I do agree with this statement. Unfortunately, at least in regard to this statement, I tend to collect books that are kind of hard to find. There have been many occasions when, if I wanted a copy of a particular comic, I had to buy graded since there just weren't raw copies around.
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I’m not an ant. I’m a rootin tootin Hornet! Zombie_Head private msg quote post Address this user
I don’t buy Cgc slabs and I’ve only used Cgc once only because Neal Adams used them and I had to.

CBCS slabs are the best all the way around and everyone has taken notice.

Only CGC has horrible grading I don’t trust any of the 9.8’s I see. Most of them are 9.6 or lower. CGC slabs are horrible.
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I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this. GAC private msg quote post Address this user
I believe that people believe cgc sells for more than cbcs. I'm not entirely sure if I believe this is true, and certainly have no idea that if it is true, that it happens most of the time.
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We should have the forum rate our packages. HeinzDad private msg quote post Address this user
I think everyone has covered everything quite well, but I would like to add something I've noticed lately. I have always been brand specific but I finally gave up on that 6 months ago and started sending books to CGC with other people. I really wish a few of them were in CBCS cases but I made my decisions. The grades aren't far off my assessment but the graders notes for the CGC books I'm getting absolutely baffle me. They are recording things I didn't see and not recording the things I have written down. Also, "light Creasing" to cover seems to be a catch all. I'm not complaining because im still getting a grade over what I have them at but their notes are hilarious.
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Collector poka private msg quote post Address this user
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I believe that people believe cgc sells for more than cbcs. I'm not entirely sure if I believe this is true, and certainly have no idea that if it is true, that it happens most of the time.


there are cases where cgc sell for more. modern books and books where someone needs it for the registry are the two main ones coming to mind
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I'm waiting.... (tapping fingers).
Splotches is gettin old!
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I don't buy CBCS books, and I rarely ever buy CGC. I buy raw and get grades.


This 100%
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