CGC vs CBCS19119
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Thomas8683 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I was thinking about using CGC on my next submission. CBCS turnaround times have gotten crazy. CBCS doesn't seem to be addressing the problem. Do you think CBCS will ever catch up to CGC or surpassed them? | ||
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| Oh not this trick again. | ||
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Thomas8683 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I'm new to grading and this is my first post on the forum. I was just wondering why there is such a huge price difference. It seems like people only choose CGC based on price. | ||
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| yes | ||
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| Which would you rather have, a fast dime or a slow dollar? | ||
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 I'm waiting.... (tapping fingers).Splotches is gettin old! |
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| how about fast women or fast cars? - Cruzzer |
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 I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this.
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GAC private msg quote post Address this user | |
| It all depends on your motivation for slabbing your books. Comparing to CGC. CBCS: Pros: -Superior slab -Overall more consistent grading. -VSP: signature verification program CBCS: Cons: -Turn around Times are longer (although not at all/every tier). CBCS Pressing TATs are longer. -Customer Service is weak -I believe more expensive (at some tiers) to grade than CGC -Perception re-sale value lower than CGC |
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Haljordanfan private msg quote post Address this user | |
| The simple answer is no. | ||
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 Have I told you about the time I dropped off 3,000 comics at SDCC?
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Scifinator private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by Thomas8683 Yes |
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consumetheliving private msg quote post Address this user | |
| They will only catch up if they invest heavily into getting their turnaround times down to an exceptable level (doesn't need to be as fast as CGC). Customer support!!! Im patient but it shouldn't take a week or month to get responses back to your customers. Be more transparent on delays rather than ghosting people. If CBCS can build consumer confidence in these areas plus their rock solid cases and consistent grading they can and will compete. | ||
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 Staple topics, nice.
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| Welcome to the forum! | ||
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 I don't want to brag, but cashiers are always checking me out.
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power_struggle55 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| been waiting for 14 months for my cbcs. I still think it will be worth the wait...as long as they actually grade my comic | ||
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esaravo private msg quote post Address this user | |
| @Thomas8683 - Welcome to the forum. This is a topic that comes up quite frequently. Probably because we all want reassurances that we are not spending our grading money foolishly. CAUTION - Long-winded rant to follow! I started using CBCS in 2015. They were pretty new at the time, having opened in 2014. I believe CGC started around 2000 and was the unquestioned #1 grading service. But I looked at the three grading options available to me in 2015, quickly eliminated the third option for too many obvious reasons, and decided to talk to representatives of both CBCS and CGC at a local convention where they both had tables. After introducing myself to the representatives at the CGC table, I was immediately struck by their arrogance (why would you even consider using anyone else?) and definitely felt like the newbie small fish attempting to try out the big pond. So I then took my stack of comics to the CBCS table, where I was warmly greeted and treated like a person that mattered. The CBCS representatives were so enthusiastic about comics and collecting, and showed a genuine interest in me and my comics. They warned me upfront that it would probably be 6-months before I would get my books back, but I felt confident that I was leaving my books in safe hands with people who were really just like me when it came to comics. Nine years later, I am still using CBCS. But I have cut down my submissions to only once or twice a year for the last few years. I still think the company is authentic, that their grading is the most consistent, and that their new cases are the best in the industry. However, unlike those first few years, customer service is almost nonexistent (it was phenomenal when I started using them). I also had high hopes that things would be different (bigger and better) after they were acquired by Beckett several years ago. But the company hasn’t improved much, in my opinion (the upgraded cases are the only positive thing I can think of as an improvement). The changes to the grading tiers and pricing (for everything, including memberships) over time were expected, but a second price increase just months after a major one, was a huge disappointment. And I still can’t understand how the return shipping and insurance costs skyrocketed once the new tiers were established. A recent announcement that they were going to eliminate memberships has also got me scratching my head. Being a realist, any hopes that I had of CBCS passing CGC as the #1 grading company have now completely vanished. I maintain hope they can remain a trusted and respected company for decades to come. With that third company I mentioned earlier still somehow in the grading game, and at least one newer company that has recently popped up gaining some exposure due to social media influencers, it’s perfectly fine to be the #2 grading company. CGC has had several issues too, including cases that actually damaged comics, questionable “gift” grades and turnaround times for their biggest clients, and most recently inconsistent grading and less than acceptable in house pressing results. Sorry for the extremely long-winded response. All of it is obviously just my opinion, based on my experiences. I will continue to use CBCS for grading on occasion, but I will also use CGC too. I hope they both continue to operate, because a true monopoly would definitely not be beneficial to us little guys. |
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Have I told you about the time I dropped off 3,000 comics at SDCC?
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Scifinator private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Based on recent posts in the TAT and Pressing threads, CBCS non-express Vintage, Vintage Plus, and Premium tiers seem to be as fast if not faster than cgc. | ||
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Have I told you about the time I dropped off 3,000 comics at SDCC?
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Scifinator private msg quote post Address this user | |
| @esaravo - on the shipping issue, i can honestly tell you, that I compared their pricing to my own FedEx account, and regardless of whether the shipment is 5 comics or 30 comics, $100 insured, $1,000 insured, or $10,000 insured, CBCS pricing is pretty spot on. Shipping prices in general have just shot up that much over the past couple of years. Add in their material costs, and I guarantee you they are not profiting on the shipping charges. | ||
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KatKomics private msg quote post Address this user | |
| @esaravo wow - my experience was very similar. The CGC table weren't just arrogant they were dismissive and unhelpful - so I went to the CBCS table. In the early years TATs were 3 or 4 months and I was getting my books back usually a few days under TAT. Some of the pricing models recently are frustrating the ADD in me can't handle it - VSP 1 signature vs 2 for instance. The inconsistencies on the CBCS website show me a lack of attention to detail. I'll continue to use CBCS but I am giving CGC a try again after many years of them not even being an option Also disappointed that the CBCS Canada experiment failed - not sure if it was CBCS (but I think it was mostly on them), their partner or if the volume wasn't there....but it really shouldn't have been that hard - heck - they could probably have partnered with a reputable comic shop to operate as the forwarding hub who would have had staff, a store front location for easy drop off/pick up etc. |
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| following | ||
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 Where's his Bat-package?
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Quote:Originally Posted by Thomas8683 Welcome to the forum!  For me, I greatly prefer CBCS's slab. I think it's the superior product by far. I also find their grading to be more consistent. As for cost I find it to be similar between both companies, but CBCS has an advantage in that their max FMV for grading tiers is MUCH higher, which means if you have a moderately pricey book, it costs a lot less to use CBCS. For example, if I have a book from the 80s with an FMV of $500+, it would fall in the regular 'Modern' tier at CBCS and cost $24/$40 (Standard/Express), but at CGC it would be in the pricier 'Standard' tier and cost $80. Regarding TATs for grading, CBCS's have come down considerably, which is great. I'm still seeing some pretty crazy TATs for pressing, but I suspect that will come down, too, given time.  |
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 would be nice to have a snugger fit.
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Quote:Originally Posted by Thomas8683 No. There are many reasons people go with CGC. Name recognition is one. Lower grading fees might be one. Faster turnaround might be one. For me, their customer service is very responsive, while CBCS customer service totally ignores me. But the biggest reason is probably the fact that they are worth more once graded. |
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would be nice to have a snugger fit.
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Sigur_Ros private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by Thomas8683 Absolutely not...but they don't need to. |
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I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this.
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| I think CBCS is the best company for the core products offered in the industry they are in. CGC is by far the biggest company in the industry and are likely to stay that way. You need to ask yourself, why are you grading your books? Once you know why, you'll know what company to submit to. |
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 "Forum Overlord" bah ha ha ha...
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JustThatGuy private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I haven't submitted anything to cbcs for about,i think, two years. I just hate the fact that I maybe sitting on a lawn chair outside of their office holding a sign asking them "are y'all grading mah stuff, yet"? I got my submission back from CGC in about a month or so last month. no fast pass. I think ive found a loop hole with that actually. | ||
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SpiderTim private msg quote post Address this user | |
| @JustThatGuy TAT'S at CGC are shorter than a month | ||
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DWeeB1967 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I just finished boxing up 15 vintage books (mostly Wrightson Swamp Things for my personal collection) that I'll be shipping to CBCS on Monday. They currently have a 40-day TAT for Vintage (here's hoping) plus a 15% off Valentine's Day coupon code (CBCSVD... seems that they might have thought a little harder about that code). We'll see how it works out. And welcome to the forum, @Thomas8683. |
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Where's his Bat-package?
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Byrdibyrd private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by DWeeB1967 LOL!!! |
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Thomas8683 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I like using CBCS they come to a local show. I started using them because the CBCS rep was so nice. I had no problems with customer service. At the time CBCS was cheaper but now they seem to be the same cost as CGC. A LCS said if I went through them I get 25% off. It also sucks that my CBCs are worth less than CGC. I feel like the CBCS cases are just overall better. | ||
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Where's his Bat-package?
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Byrdibyrd private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by Thomas8683 It's not your imagination. Pick up a CGC slab and give it a little twist/bend and you can hear it creaking/cracking. Do the same with a CBCS slab and it's rock solid. IMHO, there's no contest which is the more secure, protective slab. |
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KatKomics private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by DWeeB1967 had no idea CBCS had VD...sorry...a VD special |
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 Hmm... Moderated again!
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Quote:Originally Posted by SpiderTim Unless you're grading vintage, then CBCS is currently MUCH faster. |
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