Are These Actually Double Covers or a Label Error?19006
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Quote:Originally Posted by Bronte We had an Amazing Fantasy #15 graded by PGX that had a big chunk missing from the interior once it was cracked out. |
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| Anybody can sue anybody for anything. All you need is a perceived grievance and a lawyer willing to take your case. The moment this happens, the defendant incurs defence costs. How much cost depends how severe the grievance and how far both parties are will to take it. Some lawyers will take cases solely based on the belief they can settle out of court and would never take the case if they believed it would go to court. I bet all the grading companies have lawyers that fire off letters stating their Terms and Conditions to plaintiffs, almost on a regular basis....PGX is probably busier than others. If it moves past this point it's likely because the plaintiffs believe they have a case even knowing their T&C. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by GAC Funny, I tend to consider the other side. The individual who tries to get a lawyer to take a case that will likely fail on merits (contract law, absent other factors) is going to shell out big bucks… of course if you get someone buying an AC#1 PGX… I raise the question on highest PGX sale because I am curious if anyone has relied on PGX at the extreme price points. $500k, $1M etc… without the recourse through a certification guarantee you rely on provenance or the auction house bearing liability. |
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| It's a fascinating topic and I appreciate everyones contribution to it. cheers!! | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by DrWatson   OUCH |
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Quote:Originally Posted by GAC It is a fascinating subject and it's true that technically anyone can sue for anything. But lawsuits do also get thrown out for lack of merit or lack of standing from what I understand. My best guess is that an after-market buyer of PGX graded comics would have no standing against PGX as there was never any contractual relationship between the two parties. Unless there was some claim of fraud or intentional misrepresentation by PGX in an attempt to benefit their customer, the original submitter (which many suspect was the case in the past). |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Davethebrave OK. So now it's been nearly 72 hours since I sent that message with nary a response. The auction ends soon. Should I wait longer? And this continues to prove my belief that if a seller doesn't get back to someone the afternoon you ask a question or the morning after(about 12 hours or so), they rarely if ever reply. So it's either "sloth", "ignorance" as you suggested or purposeful avoidance. Since it would be in his best interest that I add to the bidding, I tend to lean toward the latter.  |
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Quote:Originally Posted by trademarkcomics Yeah, you’re right. Mycomicshop (who the heck are they anyways?) customer service is trying to pull a fast one on you over a $260 book.  |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Davethebrave I was talking about the Thor #337 seller...the one with the auction. MCS already got back to me and are looking into it. It's a consignment item so I doubt anything will be done, but I just thought I'd let them know. |
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| I'm leaning toward 'sloth' and 'ignorance' myself. Also, there's another double-cover book - a Deadpool #1 - for sale, not auction, at the same time, with the same label issue, but it's not the same seller. Add to this that MCS, a VERY reliable seller, also has a book with the same problem, and this looks like a labeling issue. I can't even say 'error' because the grades for each cover are not actually required for the label to be accurate: just the statement that the double-cover book has a double cover. This means there are a few double-cover books floating around that could use a little extra info on the label. How much you wanna bet it was the same person who did the data entry on all those labels? | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by Byrdibyrd Once again, I feel we are missing the salient point here about how these are getting labeled as "double covers". This is done when the submitter is entering the information for the book they are submitting. They are choosing "double cover" in the pedigree section(hence why it shows up in the grading notes next to pedigree). And as I said in my last post, the MCS issue is a consignment book, not one they sent in themselves. So their standing has nothing to do with why that Hulk book was possible mislabeled as a double cover. And, I am not saying that all of these are purposeful acts by the submitter and/or seller when they are submitting the books, but whether by accident or not these are the actions of the submitter when they filled out the submissions and most likely not done by the graders or data entry workers. Still, it should have been either caught by them or quality control, OR if they are truly double covers then the grades for each cover should have been included on the labels and in the grading notes. At best, the labels are incomplete, at worst they are in error. And at best, this was a mistake when the submitter filled in their submission, and at worst they have discovered a loophole in CBCS's submission platform that needs to be fixed. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Byrdibyrd And the Deadpool #1 CBCS 8.5 you may be speaking of is from 2008 and this was a "double cover error" variant that was made that way on purpose from the factory. It's not truly a manufacturer error. That's why there is no grade for each cover. On those they just grade the front cover. CGC doesn't even call these double covers, they just call them "Error editions". |
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Byrdibyrd private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by trademarkcomics There's that mystery solved! That actually bothers me more than the others do, because a 'double cover' is a very specific manufacturing error, and not what you just described. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Byrdibyrd Oh, I 100% agree. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by HAmistoso No, but I kind of feel like I've been there after watching Season One of The Food That Built America. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by trademarkcomics I question if it is really that easy. If one could get the double cover label just by choosing it, then presumably a submitter could get any pedigree they want on a label through that same option. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by trademarkcomics I'm a bit late to the party, but MCS will take care of it. The book being a consignment makes it even more likely they'll get it fixed. MCS will become the owner of the book if it's sold and returned since they've already compensated the consigner. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by flanders We don't know that the books in question are actually not double covers. Both example books are 9.8. Maybe when the book is a 9.8 there is no need to put a second cover grade if both would be 9.8? |
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| @EbayMafia maybe mcs will get a response from cbcs within 2-4 weeks. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by EbayMafia The submitter chooses what to enter under 'variant' - to include errors like double covers - but it gets verified by CBCS once they get their hands on it. CBCS has even corrected me when I screwed up the title of a particular variant cover. |
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Byrdibyrd private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by EbayMafia   They list both covers even if they're the same grade. The question is whether that information is required in order to keep the 'double cover' claim from looking suspicious. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by EbayMafia May have been only a temporary glitch...kind of like how double covers themselves are created? |
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 would be nice to have a snugger fit.
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Quote:Originally Posted by trademarkcomics Well, between glitch, and your claim of letting people randomly choose variants, pedigrees and errors for their labels....I'll go with glitch. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Sigur_Ros I made no such claim. I've been using the term "loophole", which is a synonym of "flaw" or "glitch". I simply said it's possible people are taking advantage of the loophole/glitch not that they definitely were. Regardless, if it's just a glitch, temporary or not, hopefully it has been or will be fixed. Even if that glitch is that they failed to complete the labels and grading notes with separate grades for each cover. |
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Here's my Kamandi 1 label. |
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Byrdibyrd private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Even if that glitch is that they failed to complete the labels and grading notes with separate grades for each cover. This is what I suspect is going on. Whoever does the data entry for labels has been forgetting that double covers have the little extra bit added on. |
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Byrdibyrd private msg quote post Address this user | |
| @GAC DUDE! That is hilarious! |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Byrdibyrd lol!! I definitely had a chuckle when I got that back.  |
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