CGC vs CBCS Turn Around Times18742
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BigRedOne1944 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| OK I apologize for another TAT thread. I was content to just sit the "Grading Game" out for awhile, but I have a couple books I want to sell and I need them to be graded. I don't really care if its CGC or CBCS that grades them, my only concern is who can get them graded and back to me the fastest. I also won't pay for any kind of "Fast Pass" Services. The books I want to submit are 2 Nice copies of Destroyer Duck #1 (1st appearance of Groo) So I checked out both CGC and CBCS sites for pricing and TAT's Both are $24 grading Fee for Modern 1975-Present, so thats a wash So am I missing something with the stated TAT's? CGC 20 Days  CBCS 224 Days  What am I missing here? Im assuming the CGC 20 day TAT is a typo......? |
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KatKomics private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Pretty sure you are spot on - I haven't tested it out as I need pressing- but I am giving a Fla presser a try who will hand deliver to CGC - guess I'll find out when the press is done? | ||
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 I'd like to say I still turned out alright, but that would be a lie.
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flanders private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by BigRedOne1944 I don't think it's a typo, it's been like that for weeks. I haven't tested it out personaly but CGC should have some threads that can confirm if it's accurate. |
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Cowabunga_Kyle private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I've had books sitting at CBCS for right about a year. It's just a disgusting way to treat your clientele and I'm completely over it. | ||
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Cowabunga_Kyle private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Keep in mind, that's 224 "business" days. | ||
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Bronte private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I have used cgc recently and the tats are about as advertised. Over a year fir economy unless you fast track. If uou fast track its fine. Moderns are about as stated as well. | ||
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I'd like to say I still turned out alright, but that would be a lie.
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flanders private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by Bronte Do you think it's that much faster because they hired a bunch of new graders and they only let them handle the modern tier until they gain more experience? |
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 It's like the Roach Motel for comic collectors.
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chester15 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I just had a 25 book Modern submission (no Fast Track, no pressing) go through CGC in 4 days. They processed it in on 10/24, shipped it on 10/28. Took longer than that to get down there. Total turn there and back to me was 2 weeks. Other recent subs were 6, 9, and 10 day tat, all without Fast Track. | ||
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I'd like to say I still turned out alright, but that would be a lie.
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flanders private msg quote post Address this user | |
| @chester15 bonkers. Looks like we all know where to send 1975 or newer books up to $400. Although, it appears they do damage and incorrectly grade a high volume of books so I'm still in no hurry to send them anything | ||
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KatKomics private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by Cowabunga_Kyle it's all good - CBCS makes up for it with their superior customer servii........ |
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Cowabunga_Kyle private msg quote post Address this user | |
| @KatKomics Haha | ||
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It's like the Roach Motel for comic collectors.
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chester15 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| @flanders Yes, the grading is aggravating. One submission is glowing, another the pits, so just luck of the draw. The tat time, no clue why it's in hyper speed, but not complaining. Although one theory I have is that when they raised prices a while back, everyone pummeled them with submissions to beat the hike. Added to that was a conga line of private signings. Then they had to hire an armada of graders. Now it has calmed down, and the large staff probably has less to do. |
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I have a problem with fattening women up.
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Bronte private msg quote post Address this user | |
| @flanders Grading is spotty at best. I had submitted books in with pre-screen for 9.8. They were rejected due to foxing. Sent it back in and some got 9.8 some got 9.4. These were the same 100 books I bought in 1992 stored the same way and pressed by the same person. (Honestly they prolly dont need pressing but I do it out of habit) Economy grading I think is more accurate, but tbe cost is higher and unless you fast pass you are screwed. In the end, I think if it's for personal collection, cbcs is still the winner. But for getting in and out to try and make a profit, cgc is the better option. |
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BigRedOne1944 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| So it seriously takes CBCS 200 more days? Thats unreal! CGC it is then | ||
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I'd like to say I still turned out alright, but that would be a lie.
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flanders private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by BigRedOne1944 200 more business days, so close to a year longer. |
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RonMob private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I just had Modern books graded with CGC. Mailer them to CGC on 10/28 and I received them back on 11/10. 2 weeks door to door. | ||
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 would be nice to have a snugger fit.
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Sigur_Ros private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Not a typo. Do you have memberships at both? If not CBCS costs a lot more to grade than CGC, factoring in the credits you get. |
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andy49 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| the cgc turnaround time for magazines is 230 days. the cbcs turnaround time for magazines is . . . #soon |
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Ryan4421 private msg quote post Address this user | |
It's actually not true...it's even faster than what they have advertised! I sent books off to a 3rd party presser 2nd the second week of September because their price was very low and they had guaranteed 4-week turnaround. The presser made happen as promised (and did an amazing job) and then it went to CGC, arriving on October 3rd. It took them until October to check it all in then they turned it all around in a few days somehow. Comparing my total cost, including sipping to and from a 3rd party presser, it actually cost less than CBCS for the same service and about 2 years sooner in turnaround. See proof attached. |
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Davethebrave private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I did a test run with CGC (first in a year or so) and it was fast and books accurately (if tightly) graded. That said, I am guessing we’ll see TATs go higher in the near future. My guess is CGC completed a much needed capacity increase right as demand started to slow… and they will need to cut people soon. CBCS instead failed to ramp up adequately, missed the boat, and may not need to course correct as much. I’d guess TATs will start falling here soon too. Not for “good” reasons. |
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Puckster private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I just submitted for the McFarlane signing and while going through the site, I saw the TAT for 1975 and newer and I was wondering the exact same thing. I'm glad you asked. I currently have a submission of 20 1994 books. Grade only. No press and one vintage, grade only with no press. I am now at just over 185 business days. That means I'm probably looking at at LEAST two more months. |
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HulkSmash private msg quote post Address this user | |
I’m pretty sure this what the CBCS vault looks like right now given the TATs. I don’t think it’s because they are slow. |
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Puckster private msg quote post Address this user | |
| In my head, I want to think that CBCS is taking their time grading and getting it closer to right as opposed to the other guys who are rushing and it seems like more bad grades get through. I hadn't really paid much attention to issues with CGC recently until after I put my McFarland signing order in. Now I'm absolutely terrified I'm not going to get the books I sent in back but somebody else's after some of the stuff I've been seeing and reading. | ||
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LotsaSequel private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I’ve submitted over 1000 books this year to CGC and have had no issues with their grading or TAT. No damages and honestly out of the 1000 I’ve gotten back I had Newton rings on maybe 4 or 5 of them. CBCS has 400 books of mine since last year and once I get them back I’m cancelling my dealer account and never coming back. The TAT is abysmal as is the nonexistent customer service. That part that kills me is that they don’t seem to care either because there’s no way they give a crap and still have done nothing about doing better. At least regarding customer service which should be the easiest part to fix. | ||
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would be nice to have a snugger fit.
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Sigur_Ros private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by LotsaSequel  |
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HulkSmash private msg quote post Address this user | |
| We can all piss and moan about CBCS TATs and (rightfully) the lack of CS communication. I have a few books to flip and was going to submit those to CGC, but i cant help wonder if CGC moderns are being more efficiently processed or if they are just being pushed through for the sake of keeping those TATs low. There’s not anything one can do about given grades unless there is an egregious oversight that the 3rd party is responsible for. Assuming CGCs volume of business is equal to CBCS what is the incentive to not push moderns through and take business from CBCS because their TATs are so much lower? | ||
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CaptainCanuck private msg quote post Address this user | |
| . I wonder why anyone would pay the extra $15 per book for CGC Modern fast track, just to save 10 days  |
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 I'm waiting.... (tapping fingers).Splotches is gettin old! |
Nuffsaid111 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I wonder so many things in this industry that my head would spin and fall off if I wrote down all of them. We should start a thread "Top 10 stupid ass things in the hobby" |
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 It gets old smelling it everytime I go outside my door.
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Nearmint67 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| CGC has fast modern TAT. About 3 to 4 weeks. But vintage is not so fast. And grading is a crap shoot. |
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would be nice to have a snugger fit.
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Sigur_Ros private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by HulkSmash It could be they have found a weakness to capitalize on. CBCS had that chance during the Covid rush but clearly failed to do so. Relying on employees to take books home and check them in didn't make for quicker TATs, and also backfired enormously. I think grading moderns is a quick process. Probably taught to assume a book starts at 9.9 (or something) then start looking for reasons it's not. If a book has a lot going on with it then it gets slower. But I don't think CBCS grades them slower, I think they are just slower in all aspects of the business, beginning with the 2 months it takes to tell you your books arrived. |
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