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Collector Sm810 private msg quote post Address this user
Apologies if this has been asked before as I'm new here. Does CBCS utilize a standard .5 grade to books that have a clean cut half page taken out (including the MVS and doesn't effect the story)to an otherwise complete 3.5-4.0 book?
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I blame the forum gremlins. figment private msg quote post Address this user
Yes, you'd get a 0.5 incomplete.
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Collector Sm810 private msg quote post Address this user
Thanks figment. Not sure I understand this logic on their end as by their own grading definition coupons and panels can be cut out and still be graded as a 1.0-1.5. This could be huge on a high dollar book so I was wondering if anyone has dealt with this before.
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I don't want to brag, but cashiers are always checking me out. power_struggle55 private msg quote post Address this user
Ive asked them directly on the digital code sticker. Have a Amazing spider-man #4 (first appearance of Silk) without the sticker. as had used it. they said it takes .2 pts off. I was fine as if I get a 9.4. know what it wouldve been with sticker.

BUt good to now with stuff like mvs.

also welcome
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CBCS Pressing SteveRicketts private msg quote post Address this user
A missing MVS that does not affect the story is not an automatic CBCS .5. There are a variety of factors that can come into play, but the grade should top out at 3.5 max.
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Collector Sm810 private msg quote post Address this user
Thanks again everyone. GanaSoth...was there any other mention of defects to your book in the graders notes?
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Collector GanaSoth private msg quote post Address this user
@Sm810 Other defects other than the missing MVS will give you a lower grade. As @SteveRicketts said, it would go from 3.5 then down from there, depending on other defects.
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Not trying to be an ass since February 12, 2020. HulkSmash private msg quote post Address this user
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Apologies if this has been asked before as I'm new here. Does CBCS utilize a standard .5 grade to books that have a clean cut half page taken out (including the MVS and doesn't effect the story)to an otherwise complete 3.5-4.0 book?


As others stated there are varying factors regarding the MVS. With a half a page removed I would prepare myself for a .5. That’s a lot removed as opposed to the MVS itself.

Welcome.
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would be nice to have a snugger fit. Sigur_Ros private msg quote post Address this user
There is an option (elsewhere) to get a more accurate grade on the remainder of the book. It would just have a green label stating the MVS was missing.
If it's the whole page, then the 3.5 is probably accurate enough.
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Collector Sm810 private msg quote post Address this user
Thanks again everyone...I'm still struggling with CBCS's own grading standards of having panels and coupons cut out of books and still receiving a 1.0-1.5. Are there gradients of "incomplete"? Seems like you shouldn't get dinged that much more if there's only slightly more missing on the same page as the MVS. GanaSoth's example above may be a sample of this as I'd be interested in what thier perceived grade of that book would have been if the MVS was intact.
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I'm not a plagiarist. I'm also not illiterate. drmccoy74 private msg quote post Address this user
Grading Companies are a funny thing.
Blue Label

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Please continue to ignore anything I post. southerncross private msg quote post Address this user
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Grading Companies are a funny thing.
Blue Label



And I'd buy a cheaper 2.5 copy instead and it would be complete.

If you bought this raw off a dealer who graded it a 3.5 and you paid a 3.5 price you'd be sending the book back for a refund
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I'm not a plagiarist. I'm also not illiterate. drmccoy74 private msg quote post Address this user
Very true @southerncross.
Very True.
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I'm not a plagiarist. I'm also not illiterate. drmccoy74 private msg quote post Address this user
That's why grading companies exist
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I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this. GAC private msg quote post Address this user
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Grading Companies are a funny thing.
Blue Label



And I'd buy a cheaper 2.5 copy instead and it would be complete.

If you bought this raw off a dealer who graded it a 3.5 and you paid a 3.5 price you'd be sending the book back for a refund


This clearly a mistake as this should be Universal .5 or maybe Green label 3.5.
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COLLECTOR dielinfinite private msg quote post Address this user
@GAC Grader’s Notes Even with a green label, I think the 3.5 is generous

CGC Cert #
3768778009

Title
Fantastic Four

Issue
13

Issue Date
4/63

Publisher
Marvel Comics

Grade
3.5

Page Quality
OFF-WHITE TO WHITE

Grade Date
04/05/2021

Grade Category
Universal

Label Text
PAGE 12 MISSING, DOES NOT AFFECT STORY. Piece re-attached to page 15 with tape. INCOMPLETE

Art Comments
Stan Lee story
Jack Kirby and Steve Ditko art
Jack Kirby cover

Key Comments
1st appearance of the Red Ghost and
the Watcher. Full-page ad for Tales of
Suspense #39 and Amazing Spider-Man #1

Grader Notes
light pieces out to cover
light tears to cover
moderate creasing to cover
moderate spine stress lines to cover
moderate wear all corners of cover
moderate wear all edges of cover
piece re-attached with tape page(s) 15


I do like how CGC includes the Key notes on the Grader’s Notes. Hopefully CBCS matches that soon
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I'm not a plagiarist. I'm also not illiterate. drmccoy74 private msg quote post Address this user
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Grading Companies are a funny thing.
Blue Label



And I'd buy a cheaper 2.5 copy instead and it would be complete.

If you bought this raw off a dealer who graded it a 3.5 and you paid a 3.5 price you'd be sending the book back for a refund


This clearly a mistake as this should be Universal .5 or maybe Green label 3.5.
I don't know Bro. I do know know for instance you could bid on a Batman #15 at Heritage that has a detached cover. You can scotch tape it back to the book and get a 2.0 Blue Label. I have seen dealers do this.
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I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this. GAC private msg quote post Address this user
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Grading Companies are a funny thing.
Blue Label



And I'd buy a cheaper 2.5 copy instead and it would be complete.

If you bought this raw off a dealer who graded it a 3.5 and you paid a 3.5 price you'd be sending the book back for a refund


This clearly a mistake as this should be Universal .5 or maybe Green label 3.5.
I don't know Bro. I do know know for instance you could bid on a Batman #15 at Heritage that has a detached cover. You can scotch tape it back to the book and get a 2.0 Blue Label. I have seen dealers do this.


The current Batman 15 (if complete) should be blue label with grade and a notation (if graded before the cgc notation change) on the label stating detached cover...similar to this.


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I'm not a plagiarist. I'm also not illiterate. drmccoy74 private msg quote post Address this user
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Grading Companies are a funny thing.
Blue Label



And I'd buy a cheaper 2.5 copy instead and it would be complete.

If you bought this raw off a dealer who graded it a 3.5 and you paid a 3.5 price you'd be sending the book back for a refund


This clearly a mistake as this should be Universal .5 or maybe Green label 3.5.
I don't know Bro. I do know know for instance you could bid on a Batman #15 at Heritage that has a detached cover. You can scotch tape it back to the book and get a 2.0 Blue Label. I have seen dealers do this.


The current Batman 15 (if complete) should be blue label with grade and a notation (if graded before the cgc notation change) on the label stating detached cover...similar to this.


I was using Batman 15 as an example but yes you are correct. Instead it will say cover reattach with tape and get a blue label. You could possibly tape the Aquaman cover back to the book and get a .5 bump. I don't know. I just collect comic books. I'm not a grader or dealer
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I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this. GAC private msg quote post Address this user
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Grading Companies are a funny thing.
Blue Label



And I'd buy a cheaper 2.5 copy instead and it would be complete.

If you bought this raw off a dealer who graded it a 3.5 and you paid a 3.5 price you'd be sending the book back for a refund


This clearly a mistake as this should be Universal .5 or maybe Green label 3.5.
I don't know Bro. I do know know for instance you could bid on a Batman #15 at Heritage that has a detached cover. You can scotch tape it back to the book and get a 2.0 Blue Label. I have seen dealers do this.


The current Batman 15 (if complete) should be blue label with grade and a notation (if graded before the cgc notation change) on the label stating detached cover...similar to this.


I was using Batman 15 as an example but yes you are correct. Instead it will say cover reattach with tape and get a blue label. You could possibly tape the Aquaman cover back to the book and get a .5 bump. I don't know. I just collect comic books. I'm not a grader or dealer


Cheers!! You and me both!! 🍻
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I'm not a plagiarist. I'm also not illiterate. drmccoy74 private msg quote post Address this user
@GAC I think we have both shown inconsistencies in grading. Another thing. Who do you think gets a better grade from these companies. You or Me? Probably a big shot dealer that sends thousands of books would be my guess. You may get a .5 bump on an Amazing Fantasy 15 if you were. I know I won't
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I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this. GAC private msg quote post Address this user
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@GAC I think we have both shown inconsistencies in grading. Another thing. Who do you think gets a better grade from these companies. You or Me? Probably a big shot dealer that sends thousands of books would be my guess. You may get a .5 bump on an Amazing Fantasy 15 if you were. I know I won't


I understand what you're saying and why you say it. I'm not naive enough to know stuff like this probably happens. But, for the most part I reject conspiracy theories. I don't believe this is a systemic problem but that being said it would be nearly impossible to prove. Unless there is secret recording surveillance explicitly depicting fraud then it's too easy to say "human error, we over graded". I have to believe fraud is not rampant otherwise why the heck am I still involved in this hobby? We have to go by data that can be proven, not isolated, anecdotal examples. From the outside looking in, it seems, "yeah, they (grading company) can totally do this"...and with ease it seems, but to think the entire industry or even just the major player is systematically corrupt...eesh! That's a chilling thought and if I believed that for even a moment, I would immediately sell my entire collection....but ofcourse I don't know for certain.
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I'm not a plagiarist. I'm also not illiterate. drmccoy74 private msg quote post Address this user
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@GAC I think we have both shown inconsistencies in grading. Another thing. Who do you think gets a better grade from these companies. You or Me? Probably a big shot dealer that sends thousands of books would be my guess. You may get a .5 bump on an Amazing Fantasy 15 if you were. I know I won't


I understand what you're saying and why you say it. I'm not naive enough to know stuff like this probably happens. But, for the most part I reject conspiracy theories. I don't believe this is a systemic problem but that being said it would be nearly impossible to prove. Unless there is secret recording surveillance explicitly depicting fraud then it's too easy to say "human error, we over graded". I have to believe fraud is not rampant otherwise why the heck am I still involved in this hobby? We have to go by data that can be proven, not isolated, anecdotal examples. From the outside looking in, it seems, "yeah, they (grading company) can totally do this"...and with ease it seems, but to think the entire industry or even just the major player is systematically corrupt...eesh! That's a chilling thought and if I believed that for even a moment, I would immediately sell my entire collection....but ofcourse I don't know for certain.
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Don't go there Brother. I believe it's on the up and up for the most part. I'm just jaded. I'm quick to see the negative side of things. It's the East Coast in me.
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I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this. GAC private msg quote post Address this user
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@GAC I think we have both shown inconsistencies in grading. Another thing. Who do you think gets a better grade from these companies. You or Me? Probably a big shot dealer that sends thousands of books would be my guess. You may get a .5 bump on an Amazing Fantasy 15 if you were. I know I won't


I understand what you're saying and why you say it. I'm not naive enough to know stuff like this probably happens. But, for the most part I reject conspiracy theories. I don't believe this is a systemic problem but that being said it would be nearly impossible to prove. Unless there is secret recording surveillance explicitly depicting fraud then it's too easy to say "human error, we over graded". I have to believe fraud is not rampant otherwise why the heck am I still involved in this hobby? We have to go by data that can be proven, not isolated, anecdotal examples. From the outside looking in, it seems, "yeah, they (grading company) can totally do this"...and with ease it seems, but to think the entire industry or even just the major player is systematically corrupt...eesh! That's a chilling thought and if I believed that for even a moment, I would immediately sell my entire collection....but ofcourse I don't know for certain.
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Don't go there Brother. I believe it's on the up and up for the most part. I'm just jaded. I'm quick to see the negative side of things. It's the East Coast in me.


Ha!! The industry has certainly given us all reason to be jaded that's for sure so I'm with you there!!
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Feel free to use my post as a checklist. multi007 private msg quote post Address this user
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Ive asked them directly on the digital code sticker. Have a Amazing spider-man #4 (first appearance of Silk) without the sticker. as had used it. they said it takes .2 pts off. I was fine as if I get a 9.4. know what it wouldve been with sticker.

BUt good to now with stuff like mvs.

also welcome


Can you or anyone tell me what is a digital code sticker? Thx
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The apple sauce and pudding were the best part... Bronte private msg quote post Address this user
Marvel put in a removable sticker that entitled you to a free digital copy of comic. You just needed to take off sticker to redeem.
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would be nice to have a snugger fit. Sigur_Ros private msg quote post Address this user
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Ive asked them directly on the digital code sticker. Have a Amazing spider-man #4 (first appearance of Silk) without the sticker. as had used it. they said it takes .2 pts off. I was fine as if I get a 9.4. know what it wouldve been with sticker.

BUt good to now with stuff like mvs.

also welcome


Can you or anyone tell me what is a digital code sticker? Thx


As Bronte said..




Knew of them but this is the first time I've seen one. I never open Marvel books.
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The apple sauce and pudding were the best part... Bronte private msg quote post Address this user
@Sigur_Ros

Happy birthday
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would be nice to have a snugger fit. Sigur_Ros private msg quote post Address this user
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@Sigur_Ros

Happy birthday

Well thank you.
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