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| out of the 3 modern. liked it the least. plot seemed like a generic horror/slasher movie sprinkled with some Halloween. Michael doesnt really appear till around 50 min mark and after that barely appears until maybe 30 min left. the movie shifts its focus more on characters (not just Laurie who is a big focus but not the focus) that I dont care about. Having the focus on Cory be pretty much the main focus for the majority of the movie was dumb. The movie made you think ok guy had a rough past where his mistake caused the death of a kid, now town sees him as a monster. Ok plot should be him trying to prove he isnt. Maybe be the hero...nope he decides to prove the town they were right by becoming Michael's apprentice. Which doesnt even make sense. Why didnt Michael kill him when they first met? Did Michael sense Cory was pure evil? That is never explained. Michael just grabs him by the neck, looks into his eyes....lets him go and they are now BFFs. What changed about Cory? Yes his victims were his tormentors in the movie...but what made him go from trying to show he is a good guy to a psycho. Because it was so out of left field. I thought Michael took over his body and he was going to kill through Cory. I think that wouldve made more sense even as confusing as it was. Also what changed about Laurie's grand daughter at the end. She fled assuming Laurie killed Cory in cold blood because of her paranoia....but then was like "oh wait....I believe her now. Cory had been killing others. I shouldve listened to her". all based on radio tower on fire, hearing cop friend tell her "suicide call at her house" The movie never explains motivations or why change of character. Laurie went from a off the grid BA ready for the return of Michael to a.....neighborhood granny making pumpkin pie. who has settled down...despite the fact she knows Michael is alive and loose...yet when he was locked tightly for decades she was preparing for his return. Yes she lured Michael. But I think it was really just for Cory. She didnt know Michael had been killing again. Also how would Michael or Cory know she was pretending to plan on suicide? Does she think Michael or Cory (she had no idea they teamed up) had a police scanner. I enjoyed it, but felt more like the "red haired cousin" of the franchise 4-6 as they decided to give a new spin to the series that felt out of place (at least season of the witch was good). But so many plotholes, no explainations or bad story telling. I think could be the worst out of all movies. Yes it did conclude with Michael's death...for good (they grounded up his body into many pieces...so no resurrections like past sequels). I think proper ending was Laurie dying as well. Finish both of their stories. |
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| OK. You have to remember the past movies for it to make sense. Recall in part 3 Season of the Witch, the Satanic/Pagan rituals of opening portals within the mask? These same Satanic/Pagan/Druid witches (finally revealed in later moves as the Cult of Thorn) also get children that are "special" and they mark them with the sigil of Thorn. This allows evil to possess these chosen children. Transference of evil. This is why they say throughout the entire movie series that Evil never dies, it just changes shape etc. This is also why Michael is also known as "The Shape." This is the same concept. In Halloween Part 6, they explain it all by how Michael can see visions of the future when he watches the death of others by his hands. Hence the reason he looks at them in their final moments turning his head slightly. He is controlled by The Cult of Thorn. This is how Michael is able to look into Cory's eyes and see what all he has went through and what hs is capable of doing. Thus, Cory starts to become possessed and change. A transference of evil. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by GanaSoth season of the witch was meant to be a stand alone film (halloween was meant to be an anthology with II being last with Michael). If you pay attention, someone is watching the first halloween on tv in season of the witch. 4-6 are not canon. In fact those entire movies made Michael supernatural (like Jason, Freddie and Chucky). so any explanations like "oh but in this movie...he had these powers"...the last 3 were meant to be grounded. ignoring all continuity after the 1st. this is a seperate timeline to everything but the 1st. so cult of thorn is thrown out the window. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by power_struggle55 Then how do you explain how Michael was able to look into Cory's eyes and see all that he has done and could do? Is this not "supernatural" and how did Cory change from being timid/shy to out right ruthless if he wasn't possessed by the evil Michael is possessed by? Even Lori said along with the father of the kid COry accidently killed, that he looked into his eyes and seen something else there. |
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Also, the Producer of all the Halloween movies is Moustapha Akkad, which also included all the other movies you say aren't cannon. Then after his death in 2005, his son Malek Akkad took over producing the Halloween movies. So if we don't include the "non-cannon" films that Moustapha produced, then Michaels supernatural abilities in the new movies makes no sense at all...  |
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| dont forget Laurie died in 4-6 films. then in H20 she said she faked her death...then she was killed in Ressurection. Michael was never arrested in any of the sequels. In the first of the new 3. Its mentioned Michael had been incarcenated since the 70s (after the events of the 1st...but maybe 2nd) H20 she had a son. she did have a daughter in the films 4-6 but she was killed in 6 |
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| currently there are multiple timelines: 1,2,4,5,6 1,2, H20, ressurection Rob Zombie films 1, reboot, kills, ends |
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| Actually, now that we put it all together, the entire story is one huge mess.... | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by GanaSoth thats why its my least favorite slasher franchise. Friday the 13th and Nightmare might have weird stuff...but they never contradict each other. no multiple timelines (maybe Jason x but deffintlly nightmare remake and new nightmare) Halloween has so many timelines it even confused you. what was canon is on timeline...isnt canon in another. Michael being able to see future might be canon in those 4-6 films. but unless cult of thorn is mentioned. its no canon. plus Michael never showed signs of immortality like he did in those films (i guess they did since pretty much every other movie killer is). if the new 3 are canon to 4-6...then a lot of continuity errors but been confirmed online the new 3 are only canon to original movie |
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 But if they remove the "Original Timeline" from the "2018 Timeline" then the last movie in the 2018 Timeline (Halloween Ends) makes no sense with the supernatural powers Michael has in order to see visions from Cory's past and future, and also the possession/transference of evil that happens to Cory after running into Michael and having Michael invade his soul. |
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| So, I’ll start with Halloween (2018). A decent movie that ignores everything but the original from ‘78. Carpenter said, what brought him back to the franchise was the idea that Michael is just a guy in a mask again & not supernatural. I thought they mishandled the Dr. Sartain sub-plot, but this was a good reset. I absolutely hated ‘Halloween Kills’. It was banal and disgusting. They just turn Michael into Jason Voorhees, And at the end (the mob scene) they establish that He’s supernatural now. Ignoring what lured Carpenter (and myself for that matter) back to the franchise. Now, I liked ‘Ends’ more than ‘Kills’ because at least ‘Ends’ felt like a fully formed movie. They took time to develop characters and carried themes throughout that didn’t feel tacked on this time. I didn’t care for the direction they took Corey’s character. I wish it had been a redemption story for him. Michael’a psychic connection to Corey was silly. And you saw how Michael’s strength returned to him as Corey helped him kill the guy in the sewer. Something I could have done without. The final showdown should have lasted longer. Then the ending with Michael being paraded through town was beyond stupid. I won’t ever watch ‘Kills’ or ‘Ends’ again, but I still think ‘Ends’ was at least an earnest effort to make a movie. |
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| i guess writers forgot current timeline ignores all prior sequels. since they were like "hey didnt Michael has ESP in one film....lets do that." I mean if he still had ESP...him being able to read Cory's mind to see. this guy will make a good apprentice. would make more sense. but he didnt...so is confusing. as I stated biggest problem was the movie made Cory out to be a poor guy that accidently killed a kid. whole town made him out to be another "boogie man". he wanted to live life. show the world he isnt bad. then all of a sudden he meets Michael and now he wants to be a psycho. yes his victims tormented him throughout the film (high schoolers at the gas station, the radio guy making fun of him, etc) |
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🤣  EVIL DIES TONIGHT! I hated that piece of trash movie Kills. While I can appreciate trying something different for Halloween, how about we don’t do it with “the end of the franchise” film. The writing was terrible and it was depressing that Michael was done in like that. Danny McBride F’d up! |
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This is awesome, we have timelines and universes now within the Halloween franchise, thank goodness DC is going to split up all the Crisis timelines, looking forward to seeing what happens next, and the rad banter that is to come from all of this.  |
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| I liked ends but I was hoping for a passing of the torch to a new Michael. I wanted Cory and Michael to fight for the right to kill Laurie. The two would have battled and Corey would have fallen then Laurie would have killed Michael and Corey’s character would wake up in the morgue and become the new shape. Alas it didn’t happen that way. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by power_struggle55I haven’t seen it. Did Cory die? Maybe they want keep the money train rolling and introduce Cory as the new Shape. Also looking at real life examples; evil manifests and “controls”. No apprenticeship needed; just answer the call. Maybe Michael knew/sensed that Cory is one who WILL answer the call. It would also make sense that Michael is “supernatural” at this point otherwise how would that old fart have the physical capability to carry out is terror after multiple horrific physical injuries left unattended by professional medical personnel all those years? Long ago the plot holes began to merge into an unfillable void. My 2 uneducated cents. |
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| I’ll give ENDS an 8/10 stars. So I’ve watched all of them since #1. I Will say this, Ends was not scary in the traditional sense. I think it finished the story.line nicely though. And I think that’s what was needed here. Because (they claim) the story line with Jamie Lee Curtis (JLC) is ending. I was expecting her to get killed. That didn’t happen. Instead, they ended the story with her instead. I think the movie wrapped up her involvement with it nicely. As everyone has said, JLC is done. Whether or not that remains, only time will tell. The important question I have now is - who will be the new Michael Myers? Not who actor, but how will he “reincarnate”? How will the new Myers become the new psycho? All along I was thinking the kids was going to be the new Michael…. |
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