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@the420bandito I was reading this whole thread and wondering why Santana was never mentioned. Is he not respected in guitar circles?


I have seen Santana live. Great show.

He has his own sound. Gilmour, Santana, SRV, and many other icons are recognizable from a single note. So I’d say definitely respected - but “respected” can take different forms. Imitators can get close (KWS for SRV as a prime example) but were not the creators.

There are many ways to inspire and make an impact. Some guitarists are genre snobs (jazz, classical) and others are musical athletes - everything is a race and you’re judged by pace. In those circles, Santana will be ignored.

For non guitarists (and even guitarists, depending on ability, knowledge, maturity, etc) it is hard to separate the inspiration from ability. It also doesn’t matter.

Kurt Cobain wrote great songs. Within the context of Nirvana he was a great guitarist. Neil Young, same thing. Could I sight read their music? Sure. Could I sight read Santana? Sure. Difficulty inspires guitarists but for listeners, who cares?

I have been playing Gilmour solos for literally decades. Do I sound like him? No… not close. But I’d wager my cover of a Malmsteen or Satriani piece will be closer than he’d get. Means nothing.

He’s an icon, a legend and I’m a basement dabbler. Some guitarists forget this (not saying fellow axe slingers on this thread).

Finally (well, maybe not) many people will have a hard time knowing the hierarchy of difficulty. Van Halen may sound really impressive but an advanced player will recognize that a Petrucci piece is significantly more difficult. Again, doesn’t matter. It would be like judging visual art by the technique vs the output. I think that is also at the heart of @GAC’s point for this thread. I’d just emphasize there is a healthy dose of acquired taste (and knowledge) too.
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An(other) aside. My daughter is not yet two and can strum a guitar and pick individual notes. I didn’t start guitar until I was much older than that. She faces zero pressure, just receives exposure to many instruments/music. Asks me to grab my guitar and tries to mimic what I do.

With the information available out there today, access to affordable quality instruments, and maturation of electric guitar as an instrument, there will be generations of incredible axe slingers out there. They will be inspired by the greats of the past - across genres. Hopefully turning out some good music too!
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Adam Jones (Tool)
Robert Johnson
Dick Dale (invented or popularized the surf sound).
James Hetfield and Malcolm Young (are human metronomes).


Hetfield is a rhythm monster. Absolute monster, especially given his vocal duties while playing.
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Thank you sir. May I have another? Siggy private msg quote post Address this user
Can't leave out Roy Clark.
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@the420bandito I was reading this whole thread and wondering why Santana was never mentioned. Is he not respected in guitar circles?


I have seen Santana live. Great show.

He has his own sound. Gilmour, Santana, SRV, and many other icons are recognizable from a single note. So I’d say definitely respected - but “respected” can take different forms. Imitators can get close (KWS for SRV as a prime example) but were not the creators.

There are many ways to inspire and make an impact. Some guitarists are genre snobs (jazz, classical) and others are musical athletes - everything is a race and you’re judged by pace. In those circles, Santana will be ignored.

For non guitarists (and even guitarists, depending on ability, knowledge, maturity, etc) it is hard to separate the inspiration from ability. It also doesn’t matter.

Kurt Cobain wrote great songs. Within the context of Nirvana he was a great guitarist. Neil Young, same thing. Could I sight read their music? Sure. Could I sight read Santana? Sure. Difficulty inspires guitarists but for listeners, who cares?

I have been playing Gilmour solos for literally decades. Do I sound like him? No… not close. But I’d wager my cover of a Malmsteen or Satriani piece will be closer than he’d get. Means nothing.

He’s an icon, a legend and I’m a basement dabbler. Some guitarists forget this (not saying fellow axe slingers on this thread).

Finally (well, maybe not) many people will have a hard time knowing the hierarchy of difficulty. Van Halen may sound really impressive but an advanced player will recognize that a Petrucci piece is significantly more difficult. Again, doesn’t matter. It would be like judging visual art by the technique vs the output. I think that is also at the heart of @GAC’s point for this thread. I’d just emphasize there is a healthy dose of acquired taste (and knowledge) too.


Great post!!!!
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As divisive as this guy is for his politics...I love 70s Nuge!!!

That record is great!!
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Not everyone's type of music, but some of my favorite music!
Tommy Hamilton and Scott Metzger are some of the most amazing guitarists I have seen in a very long time!
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Check out John Ziegler playing with some guy named Danny Carey on drums.

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With the information available out there today, access to affordable quality instruments, and maturation of electric guitar as an instrument, there will be generations of incredible axe slingers out there. They will be inspired by the greats of the past - across genres. Hopefully turning out some good music too!


Also, the quality of most middle of the road priced guitars being built today is exponentially better that the same builds that existed in the when I was learning to play. I would have died and gone to heaven if I could have had afforded the build quality of a Korean built Kramer “The 84” in a guitar produced around 1984. To have gotten that same build quality it would have cost me $2 grand in the mid 1980’s. Heck, you can pick up pedals today for $30-60 that put the ones I’ve retired to shame.

In case I forget, bluegrass flatpickers should get a shout out. Monster chops in the guys that have reached to top of that heap. In a way they did as someone tossed out Jerry Garcia’s name in the thread. He got his start in bluegrass music.
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Bluegrass / flat picking is tops for chops.

Then there are the acoustic/classical players generally. Flamenco as well. Paco De Lucia… I love Flamenco as a style but rarely casually listen to it. My guess is a modern Flamenco player could list a dozen or more players just as or more inspiring.


Honestly, across genres/styles… tons of phenomenal players left off any list.

For pure virtuosity (cross-genres) I would urge anyone curious to explore Shawn Lane. Not someone I enjoy listening to -that much- to be honest but musicianship that reflects some sort of genetic anomaly - almost like superpowers. I am being serious.
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Andres Segovia...
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Dangerous 90s indeed.


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I grew up in the 70's and while I never dyed my hair, I was still a big ol' punkette. Classic British punk? I'm there!


@Byrdibyrd were you ever a fan of The Slits?
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Andres Segovia is a freakin' genius. Incredible musician. My grandfather was the photojournalist when Segovia agreed to an interview wa-a-a-a-ay back when. I have some negatives somewhere...
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I grew up in the 70's and while I never dyed my hair, I was still a big ol' punkette. Classic British punk? I'm there!


@Byrdibyrd were you ever a fan of The Slits?

Yes, I was, and I still have at least one of their CDs (the vinyl is long gone ). I also liked Siouxsie Sioux and Pauline Murray, who was front for Penetration.
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Richard Thompson
Steve Hillage
John McLaughlin
Pat Metheny
Roy Buchanan
Trey Anastasio
Jake Cinninger
Brendan Bayliss
Alejandro Escovedo
Billy Strings
Gary Kemp
Michael McCready
Adam Aijala
Hound Dog Taylor
Ed Wynne
Markus Reuter
Ted Nugent
Alex Lifeson
Jimmy Herring
Derek Trucks
Warren Haynes
Ry Cooder
Christian Peters
Steve Kimock
Hans Eiselt
John Prine
Chuck Garvey
Al Schnier
John Petrucci
Beppe Gambetta
Bucky Pizzarelli
Frank Vignola
Charlie Hunter
Brandon "Taz" Niederaurer
Daniel Donato
Roosevelt Collier
Martin Taylor
Jorma Kaukonen
Chris Smither

Just to name a few
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Chris Smither! I just saw him live. Incredible artist.
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@ticktocktyler Richard Thompson has always been in my top 10! Seen him about 30 times!
He is so underated!!!!!!
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@Byrdibyrd My college instructor was able to get that once in a lifetime instruction from Andres Segovia, and played his video tape for us during a class.
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@makahuka
I grew up in the 70's and while I never dyed my hair, I was still a big ol' punkette. Classic British punk? I'm there!


@Byrdibyrd were you ever a fan of The Slits?

Yes, I was, and I still have at least one of their CDs (the vinyl is long gone ). I also liked Siouxsie Sioux and Pauline Murray, who was front for Penetration.


I saw the Damned in a club in Toronto and the Sex Pisols with Glen Matlock when they reunited in 1996 again in Toronto. LOVE classic punk rock!
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@makahuka
I grew up in the 70's and while I never dyed my hair, I was still a big ol' punkette. Classic British punk? I'm there!


@Byrdibyrd were you ever a fan of The Slits?

Yes, I was, and I still have at least one of their CDs (the vinyl is long gone ). I also liked Siouxsie Sioux and Pauline Murray, who was front for Penetration.


I saw the Damned in a club in Toronto and the Sex Pisols with Glen Matlock when they reunited in 1996 again in Toronto. LOVE classic punk rock!

Lucked out and saw the Damned at a local venue and they were great. I never managed to see the Sex Pistols live, but I'd jump at the chance. Punks tend to really put on a show.
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@makahuka
I grew up in the 70's and while I never dyed my hair, I was still a big ol' punkette. Classic British punk? I'm there!


@Byrdibyrd were you ever a fan of The Slits?

Yes, I was, and I still have at least one of their CDs (the vinyl is long gone ). I also liked Siouxsie Sioux and Pauline Murray, who was front for Penetration.


I saw the Damned in a club in Toronto and the Sex Pisols with Glen Matlock when they reunited in 1996 again in Toronto. LOVE classic punk rock!

Lucked out and saw the Damned at a local venue and they were great. I never managed to see the Sex Pistols live, but I'd jump at the chance. Punks tend to really put on a show.


I got to see the Sex Pistols live around 2004 when they played at Inland Invasion with a bunch of other bands. I saw the Slits perform in Los Angeles in the 2000s despite knowing nothing about the band and having never heard a single song of theirs. Both were great shows.
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The only classic UK punk band I've seen in concert is the Damned. I have seen similar era US punk bands/performers like Blondie and Joan Jett (both amazing live).
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@ticktocktyler Richard Thompson has always been in my top 10! Seen him about 30 times!
He is so underrated!!!!!!


Same. Blown away every time, too. After seeing him, I stare at my guitar for 2 weeks blaming it for me not practicing. LOL!

Richard Thompson is the world's best kept guitar virtuoso secret. I hope he remains that way.
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@ticktocktyler Richard Thompson has always been in my top 10! Seen him about 30 times!
He is so underrated!!!!!!


Same. Blown away every time, too. After seeing him, I stare at my guitar for 2 weeks blaming it for me not practicing. LOL!

Richard Thompson is the world's best kept guitar virtuoso secret. I hope he remains that way.


I’m guessing you don’t know the name of the world’s best kept guitar virtuoso secret. Just a guess.

Also, why would you hope he remains that way?
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@ticktocktyler Richard Thompson has always been in my top 10! Seen him about 30 times!
He is so underrated!!!!!!


Same. Blown away every time, too. After seeing him, I stare at my guitar for 2 weeks blaming it for me not practicing. LOL!

Richard Thompson is the world's best kept guitar virtuoso secret. I hope he remains that way.


I’m guessing you don’t know the name of the world’s best kept guitar virtuoso secret. Just a guess.

Also, why would you hope he remains that way?


No arena concerts were you can't see the band up close or hear the music as well!
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The only classic UK punk band I've seen in concert is the Damned. I have seen similar era US punk bands/performers like Blondie and Joan Jett (both amazing live).


I saw Blondie and Joan back in their prime when I lived in NYC, only in small venues. Great bands!
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