What's Your Preferred Type of Musical Genius?18485
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| I’d say that not too many people posting play guitar. It’s is the only explanation I can think of why Eric Johnson, and Duane Allman aren’t on anyones list or been in a post up to mine. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by Towmater I posted Eric Johnson and then did a classic edit. I actually had his old REH instructional video and let a “famous” virtuoso friend borrow it more than 20 years ago. Whole host of influences like Johnson and Gambale, Becker, Gilbert, Friedman, Petrucci, Pass, Morse etc… but comic forum is probably the wrong audience. Edit: also, re: some Van Halen references, EVH was a great innovator, song writer and versatile musician. He was nowhere near tops in the technical category, even in his era. An innovator instead, with massive impact. Similar to Hendrix. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by HotKeyComics Axl Rose still sings incredibly well… great, great singer. Natural talent. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Towmater I play, but I think it just comes down to peoples' favorites. Not just lists of who's best. Eric Johnson is incredible, like Satch and Vai, but I don't really listen to any of them. Was Robin Trower mentioned? I overlooked him in my first post, which is odd because he was up there with Page and Mick Ronson as my major influences. And unlike Page, he was good live. |
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| I like those who's talents were cut short by life's misfortunes like Jimi Hendrix, SRV, Randy Rhoads, Jason Becker, Duane Allman, and many more who make you wonder what if...? | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by Davethebrave Axl Rose is a stunning vocal talent. This is one of the very few areas where women get more credit than men. Axl Rose has a 5-octave range just like Mariah Carey, but that doesn't get noised around for him the way it does for her. Another man with a 5-octave range is Morten Harket (lead singer of a-ha), but again, since he's not a woman, his talent isn't common knowledge. |
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| Mostly shredding. Nick Hippa offers very satisfying metal shredding for me. My taste in music is very diverse from the likes of Tom Petty, Eric Clapton and Jimmy Hendrix to Nick Hippa, Dave Mustaine, and Dimebag to pop, r&b, rap like Michael Jackson, The WKND, Kid Cuddy, NWA, Warren G, and don’t care for country, but I can jam some grunge influenced Koe Wetzel. |
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| I recognize the technical ability of guitar players like Vai, Satriani and even EVH..they are great guitar players in the technical sense. They know their instrument like a computer programmer knows code or an accountant knows a balance sheet....and its genuine talent....but the real genius (in my opinion) is connecting on that intangible emotional level...Hendrix, Slash, Page, Robert Johnson, Blackmore, etc. their guitar playing has so much feel it touches you at your core. To me, that's true genius. Whatever type of music touches you doesn't matter....if you're fortunate enough to be moved or feel something from it...that's something special. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Davethebrave No question he is a great singer, but he can't hold a note anymore to save his life and was gasping a lot. And just to be clear, I consider Axl the 2nd best singer in rock history, right behind Freddie. |
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| @HotKeyComics There's no one like Freddie Mercury. His range was four octaves but it was what he did with it, not how wide a range it was, that counted. It's a shame Axl made various life choices that are causing his voice to suffer. That's what you get for partyin' that hard and that long and that unwisely, though. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Byrdibyrd Yeah Freddie definitely perfected the control of his voice. He was a precise surgeon with his instrument and he had immense raw talent to go with it. One of a kind. Its also a shame that Axl's ego robbed us of 10+ years of GnR in their prime. It really is a love/hate with him because of that whole period. |
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| Just coming to this thread, so that's why I haven't mentioned Duane Allman as one of the preferred musical geniuses. But my list will include a few not mentioned as of yet. I'm basing my assessment on guitarists who either moved the needle in some fashion or advanced the guitar styles of others. Here's a partial list (no particular order; these are all just off the top of my head)... Jimi Hendrix Duane Allman Robin Trower Michael Schenker Randy Rhoads Joe Walsh George Kooymans Randy California Paul Kossoff Tony Iommi Terry Kath Peter Green Brian May Jimmy Page Joe Bonamassa Steve Hackett Alex Lifeson Steve Howe Exceptional bass players deserve mention here too as their styles or expertise on this instrument contributed a strong or influential element to the success of of their respective bands... Gary Thain John Entwistle John Wetton Chris Squire Jaco Pastorius Tal Wilkenfeld Most influential vocalists in their respective styles... Bon Scott Freddie Mercury Ian Gillan Colin Blunstone Paul McCartney Stevie Nicks Ann Wilson John Kay Geddy Lee Jon Anderson Again, this is just a partial list or preferred "genius" based on opinion (no guilty pleasures, this trip)   . |
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| I think at the end of the day the original question is more about favorite bands/genre than anything else. Some genres require a certain level of “base” technique (prog, certain types of metal, certain forms of jazz, classical). If the genre connects with the listener it’s likely the guitarist, drummer, bassist, vocalist, etc, also connects. Within each genre there are more enduring bands, songs, that inspire generations of listeners. Then there are bands and songs that inspire generations of composers/artists/musicians. The latter also have an impact beyond their apparent scope. I can’t remember who said this, and this is paraphrased: “Rush may not be your favorite band, but it very likely is your favorite band’s favorite band.” Of course a generalization but there are bands/artists across genres that inspire other musicians. Pushing boundaries, stealing ideas, cross-fertilization. Joe Pass is virtually required study for jazz guitarists in bebop, even if you don’t care to listen to most of his work casually. Paganini for violinists, even if they prefer Vivaldi, etc. Finally, there is something to be said about an acquired taste or capability to appreciate. For some, bebop jazz just sounds cacophonous / random. For many, neoclassical or prog metal has “too many notes” that sound like “a blur”… but the same can be said of Liszt, Chopin or Rachmaninoff. When I listen to Yngwie, I appreciate his other abilities beyond speed - his phrasing, vibrato and, yes, “feel” are all a step above “fast” players. His early compositions as well. But my appreciation wasn’t immediate. It is like food. If your palette is accustomed to limited variety, you may have a more difficult time enjoying diverse flavors, spice levels. The techniques required vary as well. As @GAC said, if it moves you, if you enjoy it, that’s what matters. Though I’ll add that pushing to explore a bit beyond a safe zone is unlikely to do any harm and, given time, your palate (as listener) and palette (as artist) might expand too. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by GAC I'm sure Randy wouldn't mind being categorized with these guys, but he was better than them AINEC. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Stardust_Memories He was the most physically gifted person to ever pick up a guitar. I could barely play half of Serrana in my prime. |
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| Besides Allman and Johnson, these are the guitarists that I enjoy and not in any order… Gary Clark Jr. Billy Gibbons Buddy Guy BB King Gary Moore (one of the most underrated guitarist of all time and he’s considered to be a great one) Joe Bonamassa |
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| Adding Jerry Garcia to the mix. He shouldn't be left out of the discussion. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by theCapraAegagrus He was (is)great and Serrana is tough (a buddy of mine could play it to perfection as a teen). But giftedness in terms of sheer physical/mental linkage … Shawn Lane is a clear step removed and above. Jason Becker and Shawn Lane were gifted and yet robbed. Paul Gilbert, Frank Gambale, Holdsworth, Guthrie Govan. Long list of greats that have limited popular recognition. |
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| So stoked to seeing all of you awesome people flex the muscle for all this virtuoso knowledge and sharing interests across the board! | ||
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"Dont leave me out!!" - Carlos |
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| @the420bandito I was reading this whole thread and wondering why Santana was never mentioned. Is he not respected in guitar circles? | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by EbayMafia I respect him, but I can't say that I ever learned to play anything that he wrote. Kirk Hammett, Alexi Laiho, and John Petrucci are probably the 3 biggest influences on my guitar playing 'hobby' (I once had a dream to make it big in Melodeath or Prog). |
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| Adam Jones (Tool) Robert Johnson Dick Dale (invented or popularized the surf sound). James Hetfield and Malcolm Young (are human metronomes). |
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Quote:Originally Posted by EbayMafia I have seen Santana live. Great show. He has his own sound. Gilmour, Santana, SRV, and many other icons are recognizable from a single note. So I’d say definitely respected - but “respected” can take different forms. Imitators can get close (KWS for SRV as a prime example) but were not the creators. There are many ways to inspire and make an impact. Some guitarists are genre snobs (jazz, classical) and others are musical athletes - everything is a race and you’re judged by pace. In those circles, Santana will be ignored. For non guitarists (and even guitarists, depending on ability, knowledge, maturity, etc) it is hard to separate the inspiration from ability. It also doesn’t matter. Kurt Cobain wrote great songs. Within the context of Nirvana he was a great guitarist. Neil Young, same thing. Could I sight read their music? Sure. Could I sight read Santana? Sure. Difficulty inspires guitarists but for listeners, who cares? I have been playing Gilmour solos for literally decades. Do I sound like him? No… not close. But I’d wager my cover of a Malmsteen or Satriani piece will be closer than he’d get. Means nothing. He’s an icon, a legend and I’m a basement dabbler. Some guitarists forget this (not saying fellow axe slingers on this thread). Finally (well, maybe not) many people will have a hard time knowing the hierarchy of difficulty. Van Halen may sound really impressive but an advanced player will recognize that a Petrucci piece is significantly more difficult. Again, doesn’t matter. It would be like judging visual art by the technique vs the output. I think that is also at the heart of @GAC’s point for this thread. I’d just emphasize there is a healthy dose of acquired taste (and knowledge) too. |
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| An(other) aside. My daughter is not yet two and can strum a guitar and pick individual notes. I didn’t start guitar until I was much older than that. She faces zero pressure, just receives exposure to many instruments/music. Asks me to grab my guitar and tries to mimic what I do. With the information available out there today, access to affordable quality instruments, and maturation of electric guitar as an instrument, there will be generations of incredible axe slingers out there. They will be inspired by the greats of the past - across genres. Hopefully turning out some good music too! |
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Quote:Originally Posted by GAC Hetfield is a rhythm monster. Absolute monster, especially given his vocal duties while playing. |
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| Can't leave out Roy Clark. | ||
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