SUPER harsh grading lately on Bronze age comics18419
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Quote:Originally Posted by leelewis17 Do you mind showing us the back cover? |
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| 1) It's the stain 2) Both CGC and CBCS are in my and many others' opinion stricter than a year or two ago. 3) @Rbolton You won't be happier with CGC as far as strictness of grading. I am certain CGC is usually/generally stricter. 4) The leading theory on the why of grading companies being strict - and the one I believe makes the most sense - is all the new graders. You're the new guy or gal grading books. Haven't had your first annual appraisal. Others review your work. Do you want a reputation of being strict or loose? |
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Quote:Originally Posted by IronMan It makes sense. Being a "stricter grader" seems to be a badge of honor in the industry. Some people almost seem to have an axe to grind about it. If you get enough new people in a department they can tend to influence the culture in a new direction more than they are influenced by the existing culture. New guy gives a strict grade, reviewer doesn't want to come off as a "loose" grader...it's time to buy those recently graded 6.0's! |
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| This whole discussion kinda leads to a conclusion about grading in general. Nicely put - it's all subjective. Not nicely put - it's all b.s. That said, when you enter the game of B.S. expect to win a few games and lose a few. Because in the end, it's all B.S. anyway. (I mean "Subjective" ) |
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| Ahhh!! But it’s GOOD “B.S.” that gets people (flippers) paid and provides some form of security to those who use the service. Whether they agree with the end result or not, their cherished books are now protected. That has to be worth something, right? | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by Hexigore It's great B.S.!!! Where else can I buy something for a few bucks; transform it into plastic with a "rolling" subjective number for a couple hundred? I dont have to believe in it (I dont); I just have to be able to sell it for ridiculous profit for me to be in |
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| I think calling it completely subjective is a big stretch. Condition is largely quantifiable. Imperfect, of course, but (assuming clear photos) a large number of informed “voters” on a book’s condition will likely result in a median grade that matches the standard in most cases. It is the exception (or lack of full info) that we point to as evidence of subjectivity but it also proves the rule. I am pretty indifferent between graded vs ungraded except from a risk tolerance perspective. I couldn’t care less if a modern was thrown into a slab and got a 9.8… I wouldn’t pay the premium. That market doesn’t mean anything to me. It doesn’t mean the service of grading is a farce. Cars get judged as well, just impractical to “encapsulate” a car … and its condition requires upkeep / intervention to be maintained. But make no mistake that condition is graded at a given point in time. Same with many collectibles. Some of this has been going on for decades+. |
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| Where the BS comes in to the equation is when people buy a book based solely on the label. A book doesn't have to be a specific X.X to be an attractive book. There are unattractive and over-graded books in just about every grade. In my advanced collecting years, I am more focused on eye appeal and purchase price as opposed to being a <ahem> label whore. | ||
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| The fact the "number" often changes upon resubmission, or via crossover, or over time due to standards change, or due to a specific grader makes the absolute value given, insignificant. (My op) If we want to say estimate, that's fine. But it's a farce to believe it will be the same 95% of the time given the instances above. |
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 Apparently, I am easily annoyed.
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| If there is potentially that much of a variance in grade depending on what grader you get(long time vs new to the job) then maybe they should price them differently. My billing rate per tax return is significantly higher than someone just getting in to the accounting field due to lack of expertise and experience, I certainly wouldn’t expect a client to pay the same for my service vs someone just starting out…or maybe the new graders decision on the grade should be reviewed by a senior grader before being made final..as others have pointed out there is a criteria they base there decisions on, yes some of it is certainly subjective, I just find it hard to believe that it can be botched this badly by someone with any amount of training. | ||
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| @leelewis17 frankly grading outside of third party grading bronze grading is really crappy. It's one era I much prefer the third party grading. If anything though I find that third party grading tends to be less strict the further back you go, something I absolutely disagree with. As for the surface wear could be just a general loss of gloss. It's something that is not uncommon with many books printed before the 1980's. Looking at a book it may not be all that apparent other that not having as much gloss. Or it could be a slight loss of colour vibrancy or wear that again may not be that readily apparent. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Oxbladder Wait, am I reading that right? You disagree with yourself? |
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| @peterc777 lol I disagree with the sliding scale grading third party graders have adopted. It’s more about preserving the integrity of the grading scale than the rational used which does make sense. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by peterc777 He disagrees with holding Modern books to a tighter grading scale than Golden Age books with Silver and Bronze in the middle. A sliding scale of strictness, so to speak. |
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| Exactly, why call a GA or SA book a 7.5 if the true grade would be say a 5.0? Older books in great shape should be more scarce… hold all books to the same criteria imho. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by Rbolton We'd have more uniform grading, too, which would be great. No more wondering where on the scale of 5.0 to 7.0 your mid-grade early B.A. book might fall depending on whether the grader decides you get the cushy grading or not. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Byrdibyrd We'll never get uniformity. You'll always have graders that have good days, bad days, and just got laid days and the grades will reflect their attitude. Your book is a 9.6 on a good day, a 9.4 on a bad day, and a 9.8 on a just got laid day. It's inevitable. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by DrWatsonsounds like people just don’t have as “nice” of copies as they thought. It’s happened to me too thought for sure my FF150 was 8.0/8.5 came back 6.5 and rightfully so after reviewing the given grade. You know; sour grapes, sore winners, etc🤷🏻♂️ |
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 We should have the forum rate our packages.
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| Y’all realize they don’t enter EVERY defect. That takes too much time. They enter the most significant (typically) then there could be several other less significant defects that are not in the notes but still contributing to knocking down the grade further. If I can do it than CGC or CBCS can..... Shit, it doesn't matter what I grade a book if all the flaws are there on paper. Someone can apply their own grading scale however they wish. |
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Where's his Bat-package?
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Quote:Originally Posted by DrWatson I want this guy!!!  |
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Quote:Originally Posted by DrWatson Bottom RC on the FC is also creased with heavy wear/abrasions to the edges. That's the kind of heavy wear from being stored raw over the years on a 1980's/90's book you'd see in mid grade books. If not for the edge tanning & staining, sounds like that mostly stemmed from water damage that was pressed out, this ASM 238 would probably be around a 6.5 to 7.0. With that kind of corner wear, you can bet the entire book had heavy finger bends & oher wear not readily apparent in those pics, all over it....finger bends often require spot pressing, which isnt included in the cheaper press options from CCS or CBCS. I sure as H-E- Double Hockey sticks would not spot press and dry clean , on top of humidification & pressing, for ten bucks or whatever CBCS and CCS charge for "quick" pressing. Than again, I have no interest in pressing anyone's books except my own, for less than $50/book. It's crazy that guys like Joey/CFP , Al of Basement Comics (both good and competent pressers) charge around 15 or 20 dollars for spot pressing, dry cleaning & full press with an add'l second spot press and full press, if needed. Even if I had a few dozen Jumbo seals and Masterpiece 550's to work with as pressers like Joey & Al at BasementComics has, I wouldnt do that much work for 15 or 20 bucks a book. |
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We should have the forum rate our packages.
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Where's his Bat-package?
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Take care regarding discussion of pressing...  |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Byrdibyrd And if he is blessed with a Bat-Package, he may be giving 9.8's every day. LOL |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Pre_Coder LOLL!!  |
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| This is the funniest thread I’ve ever read on this forum. Thanks for the laughs everyone. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by IronMan I could be wrong but seems like all the new graders are doing the modern whereas the previous batch has moved over to do the older books. That would explain the significant inconsistently for modern grading with CGC |
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| If anyone trains the new graders only on moderns then they aren’t being trained. What makes more sense is general training on modern/BA/CA with limits on the value potential. Then some SA with value limits too. If all they see are moderns then they won’t recognize or be tested on age-related defects. It makes more sense to structure training mostly around value/risk/replaceability. Of course those criteria will mean greater exposure to modern books but not exclusively, and BA and CA will also very often fall into the group too. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Davethebrave there is a reason why the TAT for moderns is 20 days but economy remains at 240 days |
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